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Slain cop's widow hit with ticket - and taunts









By JOHN MARZULLI
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

A police widow who asked a cop for directions was given a summons and taunted over her husband's death, the Daily News has learned.
Lori Gunn, who identified herself as an officer's widow, had protested the ticket for driving without a seat belt by calling the cop a disgrace to her uniform, three sources told The News.

The cop shot back, "At least I'm alive to be a disgrace to the uniform," the sources said.

Gunn's husband, William, was shot in the head Jan. 20, 1989, in a Brooklyn building and lay in a coma for more than three years until he died in a nursing home in 1992 without regaining consciousness.

The confrontation over the ticket occurred Nov. 21 in midtown as Gunn and another police widow were heading to the Hilton Hotel for a party marking the 100th anniversary of the NYPD bomb squad, sources said.

Gunn stopped near the hotel to ask a cop from the Midtown North Precinct for directions to the stationhouse so she could park there, sources said.

The cop, who was assigned to the precinct's ticket-writing squad, noticed Gunn was not wearing her seat belt and wrote her a summons, the sources said.

According to NYPD protocol, the ticket wasn't mandatory. Cops have discretion about whether to issue summonses for traffic violations.

The cop who wrote the ticket and her partner have been transferred out of the precinct's summons-writing detail and could face disciplinary charges for conduct unbecoming an officer because of the remark.

Police spokesman Lt. Brian Burke said yesterday, "The matter is under investigation." He declined further comment.

Lori Gunn declined to comment yesterday.

A spokesman for the Patrolmen's Benevolent Association also declined to comment.

Over the past year, The News has reported numerous instances of questionable judgment by summons-writing cops, including ticketing a pregnant woman for resting on subway steps and elderly men for playing dominoes in a park.

The NYPD and City Hall have consistently denied that there are ticket quotas.

Originally published on November 29, 2003

Posters Note:

Interactions between the police and the general public, the vast majority of which is law abiding, are frequently a somewhat delicate or dicey thing. For various reasons, they can GO SOUTH rather quickly. One would think that police officials would do all that they can to avoid this sort of thing, but then what one would think isn't always the way things are done. All other things being equal, a consideration that hardly seems applicable here, given what seems to have taken place, particularly with respect to what was described as " the precinct's ticket-writing squad", exactly what in blazes migh that be, it seems that the NYPD, not to mention other police depts. need to shall we say, Get Basic To Basics.
 
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The cop who wrote the ticket and her partner have been transferred out of the precinct's summons-writing detail and could face disciplinary charges for conduct unbecoming an officer because of the remark.
Go IA!

As to the 'ticket writing squad,' I have no idea what that is (as I am not NYPD), but most large departments will have a Traffic Unit of some sort. The members of this unit are mostly charged with enforcing traffic laws, and do not respond to (non-emergency) calls for service. This is about the only way to make sure that there are actually officers enforcing traffic laws during certain peak hours and in certain locations. If left to their own devices, the dispatchers would have every officer in the precinct tied up on paperwork and leave no one on the street.

As always, my usual caveat applies (assuming it happened like the story says, and thats always a big assumption).

Mike
 
A summons writing detail, but no quotas?

Maybe not written.

If a group is detailed to summons writing they must expect a certain level of summonses.

Most officer's are polite and professional IME. Sounds like someone had a bad attitude and got called. How bad will be seen, but there had to be a bit of culpability for two transfers. Think that the officer thought the ticket writing a waste of her finely honed training?:scrutiny:
 
If a group is detailed to summons writing they must expect a certain level of summonses.
Usually, its expressed as a number of documented "contacts" per hour/shift/week, where "contact" is defined as interaction with a citizen in the context of their assigned duties. This could be to assist, to warn, or to cite/summons.

Of course, theres a self-selection going on here, as well. Cops who like writing tickets will seek out these assignments. Cops who don't, won't.

Mike
 
Mike, you pretty much got the gist. Every NYPD Pct. has at least one "Summons Man". Their hours are usually 6 a.m x 3:30 p.m. Sat. & Sun. off. No answering calls for service, no arrests unless absolutely necessary. Some, especially in Manhattan will work 4x12 tours with steady days off.

There`s also a Manhattan Traffic Pct. where the members almost exclusively write summonses. They will do regular traffic for parades and such on the weekends, usually on O.T.

Yes, NYC also has "Brown Dots" or "Meter Mutts" who are civilian summons writers. They get paid less and contribute more money to the city coffers than a working Patrolman.

The NYPD has been criticized extensively for their quota policy. Now it`s a "goal". Semantics.

I understand there was forced O.T. on Thanksgiving to write summonses. Figure that one out.

There`s more to the story backgroundwise that I won`t put on a public board but you can probably read between the lines if you care to.

Billy Gunn`s death affected a lot of us because of the how long it took him to die and what his wife went through. This is a major embarrassment to the dep`t & the city. In the world of King Rudee/Bloomberg summons writers are superstars.
 
Is anyone else offended when a news article or report uses the word "cop" to refer to LEO's? You don't hear them using slang terms to refer to people in other occupations.
 
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