Gun Amnesty in Fresno California

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Right now on the news there is a segment about Fresno CA offering a "Gun Amnesty" where people can turn in their guns anonymously no questions asked. The Chief of police is up there now thanking all the law abiding citizens who have turned in their guns since this will keep the streets of Fresno safe.

I'm not sure I understand the logic here, apparently I'm a little slow.
Can somebody explain to me how law abiding citizens turning in their guns will prevent crime and prevent them being smuggled to Mexico?
 
There is no logic there.

Just a revealing statement from the police chief regarding his view of law abiding citizens and crime prevention.
 
They're not even giving money for them? :confused:

This is a little surprising for Fresno. I was born in raised in Fresno County and lived in Fresno proper for 15 years. That was a long time ago, however.
 
Now: Turn in your guns, please

Later: Turn in your guns.

Even Later: Turn in your guns, Now!

Still Later: Any private citizen caught with a firearm on their person will be.....

You get the picture.
 
Now: Turn in your guns, please

Later: Turn in your guns.

Even Later: Turn in your guns, Now!

Still Later: Any private citizen caught with a firearm on their person will be.....

+1 for what he said
 
I caught part of something on TV yesterday (09 Aug) abouta gun buy back in Calif. Stated than when they ran out of money people kept turning them in. All destined for the torch. Some of the arms they showed looked pretty good and caught a glimpse of what appeared to be S&W K model revolver. What a waste.
 
Now: Turn in your guns, please

Later: Turn in your guns.

Even Later: Turn in your guns, Now!

Still Later: Any private citizen caught with a firearm on their person will be.....

You get the picture.

No they always toss in a licensing system or permit system before the last part, to try and get a better idea of who still has what needs to be taken later.
And severe punishments for anyone that has a gun and does not get that license. Then wait several years for most people to obtain the license. They can then gradually require the turning in of some, a condition which allows the keeping of other less capable arms.
Refusal to turn in those specific types would of course then be a felony. Which means no guns at all for those who don't turn in what is outlawed.


That makes it easier to take them. If most were simply declared illegal then they know many will not turn them in. If people are given a legal method to still continue to own them, but must register first or obtain a permit, they can get a roster of owners who sign up for the permit/license. They then know where to go for specific weapons after future legislation.

That has been the method around the world. It is also why most private held NFA items were not registered when that legal option existed. The lack of many registering is probably also why the NFA never went to the next step, and the limited number has remained legal. They estimate only a tiny fraction of all previously legally sold and possessed NFA items were registered once the NFA was passed.
There was no requirement for bound books, 4473s or other records to go through though, only manufacturer sales numbers. So they know they were sold, but not to who. So they know those registered after the passage of the law was a tiny percentage of what was sold and therefor possessed before the law.



It is easier to control guns by keeping some legal, outlawing most, and adding tons of growing red tape to the few kept legal (like shotguns.) Far fewer people will physically fight for a gradual loss of thier guns, but a sudden loss they will.
From a government perspective, that means stability, less resistance, yet still a removal of those arms which are seen as posing a threat to absolute power. While a complete ban is counter effective, creating instability, resistance, and less compliance.
Even the UK and Australia knew this, and hence do not have a complete ban.
A complete ban result in many the government does not know about being used, built, sold, imported and exported. Severe restrictions but still some legal means they can limit, reduce, track and control those which are legally possessed.
Making the only market the black market leads to complete loss of control over guns, the type of guns made or possessed (select fire, armor defeating etc), the number of guns, etc
While severely controlling but allowing a limited market does not create such a massive black market because those gun owners are less prone to break the law, the sellers and dealers more likely to comply with the law, and compliance with methods of tracking, registration, and other things important to control are complied with.
 
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Yes, you are absolutely correct. The "slow boil" principle is usually applied. Slowly, ever so slowly.....


Now: Turn in your guns, please

Later: Turn in your guns.

Even Later: Turn in your guns, Now!

Still Later: ALL privately owned firearms MUST be licenced

Eventually: Any private citizen caught with a firearm on their person will be.....

You get the picture
 
Fresno is a strange place.... It pays a lot of lip service to the anti 2A politicians.... but the people who live here are quite PRO 2A...

We opened our store here because it was a very very pro gun area.

we've probably sold firearms to half the police force, and we're working on arming the citizenry as well.

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So... other than the city being gods own blast furnace in the summer time...

We like it
 
I think I understand the logic.

Once you reach the point of "Any private citizen caught with a firearm on their person will be....."

People will stop walking around carrying guns, be it illegal or stolen ones. And then guns will be "off the street".
 
damn PRK I know who im coming and seeing when I head to fresno in december on leave. good to see a shop like yours back in fres-hell.

fresno is just a cesspool to begin with. if you actually had something to do there besides sex, drugs and gangs then maybe the area would improve. I got the hell out of there and joined the army. best damn decision I ever made.
 
Hey PRK, you guys give discounts to THR members? Next time I head up to Fresno i'll have to check out your store.

I've been thinking about a Saiga recently.

**Fresno is a lot worse with crime than Bakersfield IMO, but it is close and both places get HOT HOT! Thats why I am getting out of California, hopefully next summer. Oh and fancy that, California has the strictest gun control and has the highest crime rates IIRC. Guess its not the guns after all. Just the people, though some will disagree with me.
 
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I think I understand the logic.

Once you reach the point of "Any private citizen caught with a firearm on their person will be....."

People will stop walking around carrying guns, be it illegal or stolen ones. And then guns will be "off the street".

That may by the logic, but it also doesn't work. After all, you already can't legally conceal-carry a gun in CA, pretty much unless you know the governor.

Remember Washington D.C., where it used to be illegal to even own a handgun? And it still had, IIRC, the countries largest number of shootings, per capita?

I could be mistaken on that, but I do know it was completely disproportionate, even compared to California or Chicago.
 
On paper the plan is probably to let felons dump guns that they have illegally, but why would they do that when they can get some easy cash/drugs in trade for a gun.
 
I know it wouldn't work, it was more poking fun at how someone might try to angle it to say it is fully effective.

This is the part that bugged me...

The Chief of police is up there now thanking all the law abiding citizens who have turned in their guns since this will keep the streets of Fresno safe.

How does disarming the law-abiding citizens make the streets any more safe? I'd think that letting the drug dealers and criminals dump off guns, they might be returned to their rightful owners (or something of that sort), however it might work.
 
That sounds like they are trying to spin it that it's the law to turn them in. Hopefully they aren't trying to make it sound like that.
 
That is not an amnesty. The federal gvmt gave an amnesty in 1968. If you came forward then, you could register your unregistered machinegun for FREE, and then keep it. THAT is an amnesty.
 
Hey PRK, you guys give discounts to THR members? Next time I head up to Fresno i'll have to check out your store.

Sure, just mention it while you're in the shop and we'll see what we can do for you.

damn PRK I know who im coming and seeing when I head to fresno in december on leave. good to see a shop like yours back in fres-hell.

Believe it or not, people are voluntarily coming to Fresno from all over CA, some driving 9+ hours round trip to come and visit us (from San Diego, and up in the extreme north) We even get a lot of out of state guys who just want to breath a little free air while they're behind enemy lines.

It seems there are still a lot of good people left in CA.
 
Deus Machina said:
Remember Washington D.C., where it used to be illegal to even own a handgun? And it still had, IIRC, the countries largest number of shootings, per capita?

I could be mistaken on that, but I do know it was completely disproportionate, even compared to California or Chicago.



Actually you're not mistaken at all. DC was known to be the murder capital for several years in a row during the late 80's and early 90's because of a huge drug problem. IIRC, the murder rate was something like 475 deaths in one year, roughly 1.3 deaths per day from violent crime.

Supposedly the murder rate rivaled Chicago, New York, LA, and New Orleans.

-K
 
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Actually you're not mistaken at all. DC was known to be the murder capital for several years in a row during the late 80's and early 90's because of a huge drug problem. IIRC, the murder rate was something like 475 deaths in one year, roughly 1.3 deaths per day from violent crime.

Supposedly the murder rate rivaled Chicago, New York, LA, and New Orleans.

-K
Per capita the Nation's Capital still leads in murders and other violent crime. Maybe if some Congressmen get mugged things will change...
 
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