Resist Evil
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Never mind. It would be seen as racist. Or something.
Gun Confiscation in America
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They use words like reasonable, and common sense to preface everything they say. Then they say they are not coming for our guns. They are LYING, and if some of them believe they only want universal background checks, then they are naïve or stupid.
They point to the UK, and Australia and make up statistics about crime rates going down after guns were BANNED. What happened there? Confiscation. That is what the politicians and Soros, and Bloomberg funded anti-gun groups want.
They point to the UK, and Australia and make up statistics about crime rates going down after guns were BANNED. What happened there? Confiscation. That is what the politicians and Soros, and Bloomberg funded anti-gun groups want.
billpocz
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Kudos to everyone who has posted in this thread so far!
Lots of logical arguments without crazy emotion. That is truly the only way this can be prevented.
While I do not believe (and hope that I am not proven wrong) that the US will turn into either UK or Australia, my concern is more centered around the slow, methodical changes to laws that erode and erode gun rights so slowly that most will not see it. While I am not paranoid, there is no way that you can not believe that many, many politicians would love to have an unarmed populace.
My other concern is of course ammunition. Guns will become hammers if there is no ammo... Oh, and for reloading, just control the primers and ammo control falls right into place.
Again, it is critically important that we all bolster each other, and this thread is doing just that!!
Lots of logical arguments without crazy emotion. That is truly the only way this can be prevented.
While I do not believe (and hope that I am not proven wrong) that the US will turn into either UK or Australia, my concern is more centered around the slow, methodical changes to laws that erode and erode gun rights so slowly that most will not see it. While I am not paranoid, there is no way that you can not believe that many, many politicians would love to have an unarmed populace.
My other concern is of course ammunition. Guns will become hammers if there is no ammo... Oh, and for reloading, just control the primers and ammo control falls right into place.
Again, it is critically important that we all bolster each other, and this thread is doing just that!!
armoredman
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Please keep in mind that there is a huge difference between the war on drugs and confiscation of firearms - the drugs aren't legal. A far better analogy would be Prohibition, due to a legal product suddenly being made illegal.
Another difference is the paperwork tracking legal purchases, even if it's nothing more than the 4473 forms. It's a starting point to go after the law abiding that doesn't exist for the illegal growers/smugglers.
I think the last item that will make this a very difficult and unworkable idea on the national level is the depth of history of firearms ownership in this country. Certain states/locations will be far more likely to "hand them in" peacefully due to the leftists drumbeats of how terrible guns are for the last 50 years, like Hawaii, New Jersey, NYC, etc. Others, like Texas, Wyoming, Montana, Arizona, etc., will be FAR more resistant to the idea.
Thank you for the link - I shared it on facebook. It's amazing how many people also think that confiscation can never happen here, and are shocked to the core when shown proof that it has already happened.
Another difference is the paperwork tracking legal purchases, even if it's nothing more than the 4473 forms. It's a starting point to go after the law abiding that doesn't exist for the illegal growers/smugglers.
I think the last item that will make this a very difficult and unworkable idea on the national level is the depth of history of firearms ownership in this country. Certain states/locations will be far more likely to "hand them in" peacefully due to the leftists drumbeats of how terrible guns are for the last 50 years, like Hawaii, New Jersey, NYC, etc. Others, like Texas, Wyoming, Montana, Arizona, etc., will be FAR more resistant to the idea.
Thank you for the link - I shared it on facebook. It's amazing how many people also think that confiscation can never happen here, and are shocked to the core when shown proof that it has already happened.
People who don't believe that there are those in power that want to confiscate weapons are just deluding themselves. It's so obvious that it's not even worth discussion.
Those that say that it's 'impossible' because they won't possibly get them all may be technically correct; however, what good is that weapon if it's illegal. Sure, they technically haven't confiscated it, but you can't do anything with it.
We need to continue to ensure that this never happens.
Those that say that it's 'impossible' because they won't possibly get them all may be technically correct; however, what good is that weapon if it's illegal. Sure, they technically haven't confiscated it, but you can't do anything with it.
We need to continue to ensure that this never happens.
22250Rem
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They know they'll never get them all. But when most are registered and they decide to outlaw them; well, like they always say; "nobody is going to take your guns." And that's true; they won't go around taking them from people. That may prove too dangerous. They will tell you that you are required, under penalty of law, to surrender them. If you turn in your guns, everything will be fine. If you don't, they won't attack your home or anything like that. But when you have to renew your drivers license or car registration or do any other business with a government entity you will be screwed. Or a warrant could be put out to arrest you, you dangerous criminal. They could get you at work, or leaving the bank, or anywhere but your home. In other words; anyone who doesn't surrender the guns is a criminal and will be dealt with by all the valiant crime-fighting heroes who are so dedicated to keeping society safe with responsible, common sense, solutions for public safety and the general welfare of the populace.
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JohnBT
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" my concern is more centered around the slow, methodical changes to laws that erode and erode gun rights "
We've seen a slow improvement during the past 10 or 20 years. Sometimes not so slow. We have seen the passage of many more pro-gun-owner laws - most states now have concealed carry, the Supreme Court decision on D.C., etc.
We've seen a slow improvement during the past 10 or 20 years. Sometimes not so slow. We have seen the passage of many more pro-gun-owner laws - most states now have concealed carry, the Supreme Court decision on D.C., etc.
Gaucho Gringo
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I find it all rather amusing that the gun grabbers in the US want to emulate the British and the French. Two countries that could not fight their way out of a paper bag as my WW2 Marine veteran father often said to me when I was growing up. His maternal grandfather had been a palace guard for Kaiser Wilhelm, before emigrating to the US before WWI. His paternal side was English who emigrated to the US long before the Revolution. My father had contempt both for the English and French because only when the US entered both WW that the Germans were defeated. If we had stayed out of WWI and let the winner be determined by European nations only, there probably would have been a different chain of events in the 80 years of the 20th century after the war. There probably would have been no Hitler and the Nazi's, but the US unwittingly created the problem that is still with us today. And the Iraq war war nothing more than a personal pissing match between the Bush's and Saddam Hussein and we all know what has happened out of that. But the merchants of death are not to be denied their pound of flesh.
Both are very valid points. The only reason for point two is because we have fought for that. Point one remains a concern because they will never stop fighting for that either.
I believe when you look at the scale over the past 150 years, we have lost a great deal (Sullivan Act, 1934 NFA, 1968 GCA), and the events over the last 10 years or so are helping to gain back some of what we have lost. We have a long way to go to make up everything we have lost.
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