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Gun Control Fail: Less than 1% of 500,000 Bump Stocks Surrendered

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  1. kcofohio
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    I, for one, am glad to see this report. Though some may have been destroyed by their owners, per ATF instructions. I'm hoping that at least 98% of bump stocks have survived to see another day.
    I never saw a need to get a bump stock, but some have never seen the need of things I have. :)
     
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    I predict there will be more of this should some of the stupid proposals by those running for office get passed. We have two roads before us. Voting to preserve our freedom or fighting to regain it.
     
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    Here's to hoping that we in the US collectively wake up and choose to vote for a more moderate outecome. I do not think that all the firearms owners in the US will just "hand them over" either if we ever get to that point. For now I try to take as many of the fence leaners to the range as I am able and show them guns and gun owners are not the bad guys/gals the anti's make us out to be. Help me with this please.:thumbup:
     
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    No one knows how many bump stocks were destroyed by their owners or dumped in the trash can.

    Yep, simply hold on to that bump stock. Take it to the firing range and someone will call the BATFE. Possession of an illegal bump stock makes a great second charge for a minor dope arrest, etc.
     
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    That's the risk. I don't know the penalties, but an owner has to weigh the alternatives. Us little guys are not like Corporations who just pay the fine and keep on doing business.
     
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    If I had a bump stock or two when the ban became effective I would have destroyed them. I would just have to let the investigative reporters and the ATF figure out where they all are. Not my problem after I complied with the ban in one of the ways they said I could.
     
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    Many people have their own private property where they might safely use one. I don't have one, not a fan, nor do I have property to shoot on, but I dislike the idea of making a previously legal item illegal with the stroke of a pen, thus making the possessor a criminal.
     
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    Two things:

    1. THR does not want folks to post that they are or will break the law. Announcing that on the Internet is foolish. Some of you never get that.
    2. Since the progenitor of the ban was President Trump, please ask media types to ask him about the defiance of his 'will'. To be snarky, have that as the cover story of the American Rifleman, let Hannity or Fox and Friends ask him about it.

    Don't want to close this but I will if folks continue to discuss how they will do XY and Z with the banned item.
     
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    The American people as a whole, from both parties, have a streak of rebellion against what they view as unconstitutional meddling by the government. Marijuana, bump stocks, illegal immigration, alcohol prohibition, and on and on. I believe it is inherited in our psyche and tradition from the first settlers. I am not surprised by the lack of cooperation. The question is whether this same non-compliance will continue in the following generations.
     
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    I don't have, nor have I ever had a bump stock. Never wanted one one. I think it's a rather silly device, that could lead to poor marksmanship practices, even when shooting guns not equipped with them.
    That said, the banning of them was wrong. The manner in which they were banned was even worse. Conceivably making a felon out of someone who legally bought one. Through it in the back of the closet and forgot they had it. Or was paying attention when they were banned.
     
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    In a perfect world, all those not turned in were properly destroyed according to ATF guidelines. If there is anyone who believes they were, I have ocean front property in Oklahoma to sell you.
     
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    Never had one, never tried one, never had any interest in one. However, logically, I can see an issue with turning one in. If you get proof that you "turned it it", the Fed now has proof that you owned one, and there is only one make-believe class of firearm that they are made for. So, by fiat, they now know you still own that, when the next ban comes. Better to comply quietly, if you are going to comply.
     
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    I had one and considered turning it in. The only reason I considered it was to get a receipt for it, mainly to use as a teaching tool, similar to how I use my 10,000,000,000 dollar bill from Zimbabwe as a conversation starter and teaching tool.

    Needless to say, like an untold number of people, I destroyed mine and threw the scraps in the garbage.
     
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    As others have said I never bought one and never even considered buying one. Silly, useless device! I can understand the emotional reaction of hiding it away, thumbing your nose at the government. I would wager that the majority of people owning one of these devices are working people with homes, vehicles, other consumer items and family obligations. If caught with one of these devices is it worth it to loose it all just so you can give the finger to the government? Unless you are a millionaire you won't be able to fight for very long in court trying to prove the executive order is unlawful. You get a federal conviction and there goes your right to own a firearm, ability to vote and other consequences from a conviction. Is this the hill you want to die on? Now if a pro-gun organization would launch a class action suit to overturn this feel good executive order then we might get somewhere. I really have no desire to spend time in a federal prison.
     
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    Never seen one in person and think they're silly but is there a way to permanently render one into some semblance of a normal stock, without all the wobbly bubba stuff going on? I'm left wondering if that was the fate of any of them out there.
     
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    I'm sure there are millions of bump stocks stored across our fine country. Not to bypass the law, not for some future rebellion, not for any reason except the owner:
    #1 - never heard a law affecting the item exists now.
    #2 - doesn't know they own such an item if it was on the gun at time of purchase.
    #3- has retail stock in storage or business has closed and assests are in limbo.
    And on and on.

    My point is there are untold numbers of bumpstocks that violate federal law out there, very likely the owners of them have no idea how serious the legal trouble they could get in is. Folks outside the 2a community who don't mind the news but own guns are the ones im thinking of. about 2 years ago a buddy of mine pulled out a 15 shot pistol magazine like it was the hammer of thor to show me, said he got it before the magazine ban and he could get in trouble if he got caught with it.
    I explained the AWB expired 15 years ago, previously owned mags were grandfathered during the ban and yoy can buy any magazine you want online with no issue. Dumbfounded. The general public stays generally uninformed.
     
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    Glad to hear that few were turned in. But as we all know, you're on your own.
     
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    Oh yes.
    I'm sure everyone who bought a bump stock at stupid high prices right before the ban everyone knew was coming did the right and got rid of them.
     
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    What would happen if people started reporting the use of bump stocks at the local range? Every range?
     
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    Just a guess but I’d speculate, ranges would have no choices but to ban them, and many would likely report them in order to cover their own butt. Then the ATF would likely make an serious example out of someone.
     
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    No range will accept the legal risk of allowing an illegal item to be used. Do you think a range will allow you to talk in with a nonregistered current NFA item and use it? Those that allow full auto are very limited and strictly controlled.
     
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    The only thing about this I can't believe is that there were 500,000 sold.
     
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    :what: I have a range near me that has no ROs or any regular supervision. Every once in awhile, there are people there with f.a. guns.
    It may be the rare and unusual exception.
     
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    Good point. Is that a guesstimated number?
     
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