Gun dealers who violate 1 or more of the 4 rules.

[Shaughn Leayme]

This would be back 50 years ago or more, my father was over at a friends place and he had just received a new pistol, I don't recall what it was save for a 22 semi auto, it was removed from it's box and the magazine ejected and the slide was racked and out pooped a 22 shell and there was 2 in the magazine and this was for a NIB, direct from the manufacturer. So treating every gun as loaded, leaves no room for complacency or for Murphy to rear his ugly head.

Personally, I hate going anywhere near gun counters, because, while an occasional sweep is something I can live with, don't like it....You always get the dimbulb who aims directly at you and then pulls the trigger and many times I imagine they don't even see you there or plain don't care.

If I ever were to open a gunshop, I think a sign along the lines of..."If you point a gun at some one, they have the right to shoot back"....would be posted alongside the 4 rules.

There is no excuse for careless handing of firearms, be careless with a knife and odds are good only you will get cut, be careless with a firearm and odds are even better that an innocent bystander will get injured or killed.

For those who say chill out dude, get shot because of someones stupidity and spend months in rehab, then come back and see me and see if your opinion changes.

 

[Spent Shell]

Always check.

I can verify a gun isn't loaded about as fast as I can pick it up, what, about 2 seconds to look? If two seconds eliminates the possibility of a mistake I don't understand why one wouldn't, even if things were busy at a retail store. It makes me uncomfortable when others don't.

I recently purchased a gun online and had it sent to an FFL I don't usually use. When I went to pick it up the employee pulled the box out of the safe an placed it on the counter. Now, I'm guessing they checked it before it went into the safe, but still a number of different people work there. Of course I turned the box so I could pick it up in a safe direction and checked the chamber. I wanted to dry fire the gun a few times (as it was used) to check function. The employee was at the other end of the counter so I aimed at the wall behind the counter (and down) and checked function. I was absolutley amazed when the employee walked right across in front of me without even giving notice. Again I naturally lowered the firearm as he passed, but he wasn't even concerned/paying attention.

Now I know he probably saw me clear the gun, and heard me pull the trigger a few times already, but there is just somthing wrong about walking in front of a firearm that is being function checked. I couldn't do it. Heck, I was really uncomfortable with him about to walk in front of me. I kept the situation safe, but was amazed he wasn't even the slightest bit concerned with those actions.

 

[XavierBreath]

as for the comment about immobilization, i was reminded of an incident where one of our instructees repeatedly swept the entire line during a live fire qualification, once its accidendental twice, we are instructed to ensure the safety of every person on the line by whatever means neccessary(except in certain limited cases lethal force)

We are talking about a civilian gun counter. A store. A place of business.

Regardless of any "whatever means neccessary" instructions you may have received at a range somewhere, the same does not apply at a gun counter, and those instructions will probably not help you defend your actions in a court of law.

I am an ardent supporter of gun safety, and the four rules. I do not appreciate being swept by muzzles. Wrestling matches with unwilling opponents at gun counters are not the way to get your ideas across, however. That is going too far. I can't condone that. If you believe that course of action is correct and can be defended legally, go ahead and try it. Let us know how it works out.

Thank you for the link.

Design: This new technology works when the key engages with the lock and two molded cones come together, which then expands a soft aluminum ring and locks in the chamber. In the case of an automatic pistol, the lock engages the extractor, locks the slide onto the frame and renders the gun inoperable. In all shotguns and rifles, the locking system bypasses all extractors and ejectors. In revolvers, the lock goes through the cylinder, into the barrel, and locks the cylinder, trigger and hammer, freezing the entire gun. Because these locks are internal, they are also caliber specific, not gun specific, allowing them to be more secure and more effective than external gunlock designs.

 

[KimKommando]

I agree that there are some folks who have no business being on the other side of a gun counter, but keep in mind that they are SALESMEN. This means that they can sell anything. Whether they are weapons professionals is another matter. I personally have no problems at my gun shop, I have been going there for years and the folks that are worth a damn typically stay. The idiots last a month and are gone. Some of these folks never handled a firearm before. Believe it.
I have had one salesman in a store hand me a non-cleared weapon and I let him know verbally that he needed to pull the slide back before he handed me the gun. He smiled and locked the slide to the rear and handed me the pistol. Sometimes they get complacent in the fact that they "know" the weapon is cleared.

 

[.cheese.]

my first time in a local shop I was greeted at the door by somebody pointing a rifle right at me (trying it out).

The owner said, "Don't worry, it's not loaded."

and I said, "Famous last words."

haven't been back. That's what happens when you violate the rules with me.