Gun discharges at TSA checkpoint in Atlanta airport

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Can't answer how one might forget a gun in their bags, but there are many people who have done this and not just at airports. Many of these are not apparent morons. A few years ago the Italian actor from law & Order was found to have a gun in his bags at Los Angeles. These stories are numerous.
 
TSA "Agents" as folks here are calling them are not LEO's. They are not commissioned by the Department of Homeland Security. Ever notice that they are not carrying firearms themselves, and that the local PD is called in whenever there is a problem?

Their duties do not include Law Enforcement (this is from the job description):

"Operating screening equipment to identify dangerous objects in baggage, cargo and on passengers, and preventing those objects from being transported onto aircraft;

Performing searches, to include hand-wand and pat-down searches;

Controlling terminal entry and exit points;

Interacting with the public, giving directions and responding to inquiries;

Maintaining focus and awareness while working in a stressful environment which includes noise from alarms, machinery and people, crowd distractions, time pressure, and disruptive and angry passengers, in order to preserve the professional ability to identify and locate potentially life threatening or mass destruction devices, and to make effective decisions in both crisis and routine situations.


Their job is to prevent bad guys and idiots from taking dangerous weapons into secure areas of the airport. The TSO did his/her job when the weapon was found. They went outside the job description when they tried to unload it. The nimrod who brought the pistol to the security screening station should have the book thrown at him. IMHO
 
This is why you don't want ANY sort of security persons "securing" your weapon and unloading it so they "feel safer". I read accounts on many forums of individuals being stopped in traffic by LEOs and when they are informed that you have a legal CCW permit the first thing many of them want to do is "secure" your sidearm and unload it. I can certainly understand why they don't want ME to touch it or clear it but at the same time I don't feel real safe watching THEM trying to clear a weapon they may have never seen before. It's better for everyone if no one handles or manipulates the gun. Leave it alone where it is. I'll stand over here while you write my ticket. The last traffic stop I had I informed the officer I had a legal CCW and he just asked "where is it?" I said" it's inside the console". His reply "we"ll just leave it right in there". Works for me.
 
When I was flying back out from Salt Lake City, Utah in 2003 I walked THROUGH the metal detectors with a 5" knife on my belt. Totally forgot about the damn thing - had been hiking and mountain climbing for 11 days and I was spent.

The agent read me the riot act - but after we talked a minute and I explained that I'd simply forgot, he handed the knife BACK to me and allowed me to go back and get it on my checked luggage.

They're not ALL bad people. :)

I felt like an idiot, and rightfully so, but when you wear something all day long, every day, you tend to forget it's even there.

Probably what happened here. I mean.. snake shot.. really? If you carried a pistol in your backpack, hiking for a couple of weeks, loaded with snake shot just in case, you might forget about it too. Dude should have been asked to unload it, then have him take it to checked luggage so it can be properly stowed.

It does suck that the repercussions for forgetfulness can be so severe.
 
Airport security is just a show. I worked at the Indianapolis airport for several years and they tested the TSA people about once a month. Fake bombs, grenades, dummy handguns would be hidden in carry on bags and every time they did it over 90% of it got through. One night they put a fake bomb into the mix for a test and some TSA clown forgot to retrieve it and lock it up and it the next morning it was found by a different crew who pushed the big red button and evacuated the entire airport for 4 hours.
 
The TSO did his/her job when the weapon was found. They went outside the job description when they tried to unload it.

The TSA rep called for the Atlanta PD; it was the LEO who discharged the weapon and filed the report about the ricochet grazing his face.

Assuming the reports are corrrect, the officer tried to unload the weapon in the security screening area, which I really don't understand. Even if it he was against one of the far walls that's not a good place to mess around with firearms. It's an extremely busy place, even at 9:00 on a Sunday morning.
 
TSA "Agents" as folks here are calling them are not LEO's.
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They went outside the job description when they tried to unload it.

Didn't read the article did you? ;) The firearm discharged when it was being cleared by an officer from the Atlanta PD who was called in.
 
You forget that you have a loaded gun in your carry-on???
From the description, it sounds like a NAA mini-revolver. I used to own one; mine was about the same size as a medium-sized Swiss Army knife (closed), and smaller than a pack of cards. I've seen tubes of lipstick nearly that big.

If it were in a pocket inside the luggage, it could be easy to miss if the owner didn't search the luggage thoroughly beforehand.

And if the LEO didn't know how to clear one (press button on the end of the cylinder rod, remove rod, lift hammer just clear of the retaining notch, remove cylinder, empty cylinder) then he had absolutely no business fiddling with it.
 
I know a fellow who flew from FL to CA and back, including lay-overs with a loaded 1911 magazine in his Man-Bag (murse, Jack-Sack, Whatever- a Maxipedition Jumbo Knock off).

He went through security 5 times with it, and didn't find it till he got home.

I don't think of it as proof that TSA are idiots- I think it illustrates that what we've got here is security theater.
 
Remind me again, who the politicians in this country say the firearms experts are???? Forget the gun was there? Go to jail, do not pass go......chris3
 
Yep, this was in our local news just this morning: 76-year-old with gun strapped to ankle at airport says he forgot it was there

Last I heard, the LCP was a .380....Poor guy, he will most likely never get his 2A rights ack again.
 
I didn't see any mention of him being charged with a felony, so I doubt he'll have his rights stripped. His CC permit may be in danger, though, which would be a shame.
 
My friends wife did it in Chicago, had a handgun in her purse. She commutes between a few states where they have homes, and just forgot it was in her bag. Since his friend works for a federal agency,as did he, calls were made and she was released. They kept the gun.
 
This is why agents of the government are the only people in the room professional enough to be trusted with firearms. Wait, hasn't this happened before?:scrutiny:
 
"Tea Party Leader Arrested After Attempting to Check in With Gun at Airport"

locked gun box containing a Glock pistol and 19 cartridges of ammunition...............................
New York, which has strict rules on carrying concealed weapons, they said.

New York has a goofy interpretation of concealed carry.

The better question is, though, where had he been and where was he going? Safe passage should cover him if he'd been visiting somehwere there where the handgun was legal to possess. Obviously, he'd have been arrested when he arrived if he'd flown into that airport.

I'm not very familiar with how airline travel affects this, but I do know that driving through a heavily restricted place is allowed with a firearm transported in the manner he was, so long as your destination allows the weapon.

18 U.S.C. 926A

Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or
regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any
person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from
transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to
transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he
may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place
where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during
such transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the
firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible
or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such
transporting vehicle: Provided, That in the case of a vehicle
without a compartment separate from the driver's compartment the
firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container
other than the glove compartment or console.


It does not specify driving a car. It simply says "transporting vehicle"

I'm betting a decent attorney will get this handled easily.
 
Things are just as ridiculous at overseas "security." I have traveled through Asia and Europe and have accidentally slipped 9mm golden sabers through security where even ammunition was prohibited (as in a state offense to possess it, not just a screening offense). I have also slipped other things through security inadvertently (pocketknife...aka "sword" to them which they were so focused on, they completely missed my tomahawk) and once, while walking through a metal detector with steel toed boots on, set it off nicely. I just pointed at my boots, smiled, and they waved me through. They did catch the butter knife I accidentally left in my backpack from a picnic though.
 
When I was a little kid (probably 4-6, somewhere in there), and this was back when you could accompany family to the terminal instead of just to the TSA line, my grandparents were going on vacation and I was told by my mom to pack some toys in my bag. So what did I pack? My toy revolvers that I had gotten the previous year for a cowboy costume for halloween.

Well, TSA didn't ask what was in my bag. They just went through and pulled the toy out, and realized quickly that it was a toy. They told my parents that we could get it back on our way out...

Fast forward to the terminal, where if anyone was paying attention above, you noticed that I put revolvers in my bag and TSA pulled the revolver that they found out. So, I pulled out the other one, and my Mom promptly yelled at me to not play with my toys until we get back to the car.
 
A passenger’s gun went off Sunday morning
I am so tired of reading this.
Guns do not "go off".
This is just another example of a useful idiot writing the story...he or she has been indoctrinated to believe (and spread The Word) that Guns are Evil and GO OFF by themselves.

My first serious firearms instructor (well over 20 years ago) had it right. He said, "When someone says 'the gun went off', my first question is, 'which idiot's finger was on the trigger'?"

We would all do well to ask this question regularly, and to hold others (and ourselves, when applicable) accountable.
 
The statement as written is correct. A gun did go off. Why it went off is not described in the sentence but is explained two sentences later.

That said, a better (albeit longer) sentence could have included the why. "A passenger's gun was discharged in the security area by an Atlanta police officer after ....etc." Sometimes news writing styles are too brief.
 
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