The law of the land (the constitution) states that the right to bear arms shall not be infringed. Barring law abiding citizens from carrying in a bar creates criminals out of law abiding citizens, then prohibits them from owning guns. It also does literally NOTHING to prevent those who wish to do harm from carrying in such an establishment. So by suggesting laws infringing on our natural rights, protected by the 2nd amendment, law abiding citizens accused of false crimes are being disarmed.
The comment of mine that you responded to was regarding the ability of felons to own guns so you're jumping back to another discussion. The inability to carry a gun in all places is not the same as an inability to own a gun. That would be like saying since "Bob can't carry his gun into a prison to visit Uncle Joe" his right to own a gun is being infringed.
But they were already arrested for the other crimes, right? Whether or not they have a gun they were still breaking the law. In other words, the law did nothing to prevent the criminal from having the gun in the first place, nor did it prevent them from using it in a crime. Their being involved in another crime prevented them from being in a violent crime involving a gun. It merely demonstrates that the law is completely powerless, and does nothing but CREATE criminals.
Not when the crime, or supsiscion of a crime, is a very minor offense such as a traffic stop.
If a felon gets pulled over for speeding and is found in posession of a firearm, you would claim that it stopped a crime. What if he merely needed it for defense from a criminal element he was previously involved in? What if it was a hunting shotgun and he had no intention of committing a crime? What if he was borrowing a car from a non-felon and unknown to him there was a gun in it?
Of course there may be exceptions but if a felon is carrying a gun, even if specifically to hunt, it still demonstrates that he has retained his disregard for law. If a convicted felon borrows a car it is his resonsiblity to make reasonable effort to ensure there are not drugs or guns in the car. The fact is that there is no constiutional violation to prohibiting felons from owning or carying guns so long as the right has been removed through due process.
If felons were allowed to have firearms and routinely committed crimes with them, you'd see a lot fewer felons being released, and a change in public opinion towards the death penalty being applied to violent criminals. This would lead to a safer society, as we'd be living in the reality of felons having access to firearms, you know, just like today. People simply refuse to accept the truth since they think that writing a law actually makes anyone safer.
That is a completey oversimplifiation and quite innacurate view of public opinion on the death penalty. Regardless, many felons who are released and commit further violent crimes were not in for a capital crime to begin with. I referenced a quite in depth study above.
If violent criminals remain behind bars, and not at them, they won't be able to get guns. Why is that concept so unpopular?
Once again, explain in practical terms how to implement this. Do you advocate life sentences for all violent crimes? It has nothing to do with popularity instead practicality.
How does the threat of going to prison for firearms possession bigger than the threat of going to prison for robbing a gas station anyway?
As i said already:
"... As i already explained, laws against felons owning and carrying guns have substantial benefits even if those who want them can still get them. If a felon is caught with an illegal weapon it demonstrates said felon still has no regard for the law and is not hesitant to use that weapon. The ability to arrest said criminal before he actually commits another violent act seems like a good thing to me."
"All crime is not premeditated. A felon may end up in a situation in which he uses his gun in spite of not originally planning to do so. Also, if a released felon is caught with a gun that he was carrying for illegal purposes he will be sent back before the next time it is used. An episode of Cops demonstrates just how regularly criminals do appear to get caught with guns when searched or arrested for other crimes."
