Gun Fun in Switzerland

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I'm looking for proof of a strong gun culture in Switzerland. I'm aware that more than 200,000 people attend the annual Feldschiessen weekend. (Approximately 3% of the country according to david Kopel) Does anyone have any pictures of such an event? I can't even find a website. Anyone have any statistics on the number of non-military hunting rounds sold per year in Switzerland? Number of hunting permits sold? Stuff like that.
 
how about the fact that all males in good health condition have to be in the armed forces and must keep elementary equipment at home (at least a rifle an handgun)? Also, there aren't much news about great massacres and shooting sprees from there. IIRC the Switzerland has one of the lowest crime rates in this side of the Globe. THis should be a sign of strong gun culture - no bozos running amok, very low rate of violence (weapons as deterrant), this meaning there's a lot of responsible gunowners.
 
Define gun culture.

Are you looking for the Swiss version of The High Road? Are you looking for mall ninjas that hang-out in the Swiss gun stores? Or just the amount of sporting ammo sold, which would suggest people shoot often?

Medusa's info is good. Considering all those testosterone-filled young men running about with full auto weapons, yet there are very few cases of shootings, I'd say that they have some sort of gun culture. Or. more correctly, they are cultured and they have guns.
 
how about the fact that all males in good health condition have to be in the armed forces and must keep elementary equipment at home (at least a rifle an handgun)?

I just spent a lot of time editing wikipedia. It was heavily slanted to say that ammunition is heavily controlled and the guns are inspected to prevent "unlawful use". So all the anti's think swiss laws are very strict when that's simply not true. I mean just look at the arguments used on digg:

http://digg.com/politics/Something_that_gun_control_advocates_don_t_like_to_hear#c4570644

After this military service, reservists or home guards are issued with a weapon by the government, and a supply (about 50 rounds) of ammunition, to be used in the event of war so that soldiers can defend themselves on their way to base. This ammunition is sealed and inspected regularly to ensure that no unlawful use takes place. People who use the ammunition for other than its intended purpose are incarcerated. The same cannot be said of the USA.

While the sale of ammunition at firing ranges is subsidised by the Swiss government, it is a government requirement that ammunition sold at ranges must be used there.

That may be true w/ the emergency ammo but it's misleading and irrelevant. And lots of people dugg that post up!!!!!!!! I'm just trying to find undeniable proof that ammunition is plentiful (outside of the gun range) in Switzerland. I don't want to get distracted with crime rates, suicides, etc. I'm just concerned with ammunition and the general gun culture. Even on wikipedia people claim the Swiss don't like guns:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gun_politics_in_Switzerland
For most Swiss having a weapon is a Duty, an annoying one at that. Not a Right. Also those weapon are meant to defend the State in case of an external aggression. No set of circumstances would save your ass in a Swiss court if you shot someone in "self-defense". Weapons are simply not meant for that.

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Oh, and Switzerland is not a gun culture. It is a Sovereign Nation. And its citizens have a general dislike for the so-called gun culture in the US.

THE SWISS HATE GUNS?!?!?!

Again, lets not get distracted with crime stats or calling the anti's stupid. I've seen this argument countless times by the anti's and the people on the fence that are simply searching for truth. Heck I've even seen it made by some pro-gun libertarians that were playing the devils advocate. So it's time to gather some counter-evidence. I will post it on my gun blog.
 
I spent lots of time in Lausanne in the Eighties--

at least 33 one-week trips up through '92. Most of that time I would stay with a Swiss couple who lived right downtown--just off Saint Francois.

After I had returned to shooting in '87 and was fully-bitten by the enthusiast bug, I inquired after the ability to shoot there, visited urban gun shops, went to a local range, etc., etc.

The husband of the couple I knew had done his turn, etc., but no longer had an Assault Rifle and ammunition at home--he was, IIRC, in the "inactive reserve"--and he really wasn't interested in shooting, or the military; he was an artist.

Other men I met, however, were active, and some were what we would call shooting enthusiasts. It was quite common during the summer months to see the Reservists going off to training carrying their HK91s (uncased) through the streets, in taxis, on the train....nobody ever got excited.

I inquired about having a gun there, to shoot whenever I came to town. It was not possible, although I had the impression that one of my shooting friends would get one that I could call mine.

Ammo was available in gun stores, but I think you had to be ID'ed for it. Ammo bought at the range had to be used there, and I had to be sponsored by a club member (citizen or Resident) to shoot there. The Resident 'range friend' I knew was going through numerous governmental hoops to try to get his marksmanship / military rifle in to the country. He still hadn't received permission after eightteen months, but there was no real reason to believe it wouldn't happen.

Switzerland was / is a highly-regulated place. However, the regulation is relatively unobtrusive, IMO.

One example of this government "awareness" came in one of my later visits--earlier, Passport Control had asked for a specific destination; later I just said "Lausanne"--but since I never stayed at a hotel, I didn't show up later in the registrations. My US Passport number came up promptly, I do remember that. However, after one visit, when I stayed at my friends' apartment while they were not there, they told me later that their neighbor had been queried by the local police to see if I had been there (and I had never met this neighbor; she had seen me and knew of me, however).

It was / is the "safest" urban environments I have ever been in--never hesitated to walk the streets anywhere in Lausanne and environs, Bern, other cities save Geneve.

It was my impression that the Swiss do not have strong ideological beliefs for their gun culture--rather, it was based in a pragmatic cultural belief in national identity--e.g., to maintain their political identity and its strict neutrality, they knew that citizen firearms and a strong military would be the only way to keep their country.

My impression was the the middle class Swiss I met were generally what we would call NOT ideological--but they did have a generally-negative impression of U.S. people; it's the "ugly tourist" / Ugly American syndrome. I thought it was generally justified, given the behavior of many tourists I saw. Needless to say, that negativism was also based in European stereotyping, as Wacki's Wikipedia quote about disliking U.S. gun culture. Anyone else remember the impressions Europeans had of Ronald Reagan?
 
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After this military service, reservists or home guards are issued with a weapon by the government, and a supply (about 50 rounds) of ammunition, to be used in the event of war so that soldiers can defend themselves on their way to base. This ammunition is sealed and inspected regularly to ensure that no unlawful use takes place. People who use the ammunition for other than its intended purpose are incarcerated. The same cannot be said of the USA.

While the sale of ammunition at firing ranges is subsidised by the Swiss government, it is a government requirement that ammunition sold at ranges must be used there.

This is the sort of argument that makes me laugh; this assumes that someone who would otherwise go on a murder spree is going to be deterred by the fact that he might get in trouble for not having his sealed ammunition present for inspection in six month's time. , and that said "trouble" could be in ANY way, worse than the trouble he's going to get into for going on the murder spree in the first place.:banghead:
 
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