Gun Ignorance on NewsMax.com

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I was a little surprised to read this article on NewsMax.com about a UN Security Guard's AD or suicide. NewsMax is usually a lot more gun savy than most news web sites.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/12/2/95304.shtml

This excerpt from the article contains really amazing dis-information about Glocks. My editorial comments, thick with sarcasm of course, are in brackets << >>.

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Veteran U.N. security officers tell NewsMax whether intentional or not, the death on Monday points out serious problems in the United Nations New York security operations.

Currently, U.N. security officers carry 9mm Glock handguns.

The Glocks do not carry safety locks. In fact, NewsMax is told the only device preventing an accidental discharge of the handgun is the holster it is carried in.

<<The "device" is the trigger finger dummy. There are three safeties on a Glock - all automatically turned off, only when you PULL THE TRIGGER! You can drop a Glock off a building onto concrete and all it will do is bounce a bit.>>

"If that gun is taken out of the holster, watch out" one U.N. security veteran explained. He added that he and several other officers "unofficially" break U.N. rules and do not carry their guns loaded.

<<Where did they get this "veteran"? "Watch out!" The dang thing goes off by itself! What good is an unloaded security officer's sidearm. Makes a good brick I guess. No doubt this guy came from the old school and probably once carried a revolver. Hey wait a second, that six-shooter doesn't have any external safeties either! Better keep it in the holster Tex.>>

Rules mandate that at least one bullet be present in the gun's chambers "at all times."

<<"At least one bullet" in the chamber - just try to get two in there.>>

The U.N. source explained that the Glock issued to U.N. officers requires "little pressure" to cock the trigger and is too easy to discharge. As such, the source added that he opts to keep his ammunition "close by" but not in the gun.

<<The Glock trigger breaks at five pounds. This is not "little pressure" and I bet these guys are using the New York trigger anyway - eight pounds. Ammunition "close by" but not in the gun, if you are that spooked, just don't chamber a round, but then there are those rules above.>>

The problem is further compounded by the U.N.'s decision to equip its officers with "hollow point" bullets. Such bullets, unlike conventional ones, fragment and spread on impact to cause maximum damage.

Several U.N. officers tell NewsMax the use of such bullets is "overkill" and unsuited for use in a heavily populated office building such as the high-rise Secretariat.

<<Exsqueeze me? Hollowpoints are far preferable inside buildings as they are less likely to go through walls and leave the perp's body if penetrated. In fact, 9mm ball usually penetrates better than a .45ACP will.>>

"It is stupid to carry these bullets. It shows that they (U.N. management) do not know what they are doing," explained another veteran United Nations officer.

<<Tell that to the terrorists coming in the front door. Nuff said!>>
 
waitone minute

No tell us as well!
I am real glad I read this post,jiminy crickets! the U.N is smarter then the "security expert" by a long shot! some one is lying here! The U.N can't be that smart. I bet that the reporter got lazy and asked the anti gun expert down the hall and provided all the lies he hears on that "west wing" tv show. just my opinion though!
I mean this "security expert is "un named"
some one should call Glock and let them know too!
 
I really doubt that anyone at the UN knows anything factual about firearms. Well, except maybe Kofi, being an 'ex'-Somali warlord and all...
 
The UN frightens me with their ignorance once again...........where did they get these "security officers"?Did they flunk out of Mall Ninja school?????:uhoh:
 
I use a Glock

And as an armed security officer,I would report this guy to
my supervisor in a "New York minute".
I bet what happend is the dead guy was "playing"
with his loaded Glock and dropped it and when he caught it his finger got
in the trigger guard.(I have heard of that happening to a cop in FL)
Or maybe he was "twirling it" (old west movie style) with the level of competency displayed by the "expert" I think one of these scenarios
is possible. Maybe the "expert" shot his co-worker by accident and is blaming the gun.
 
NEWSMAX has lost it...

So read the following story recently posted on newsmax.com... i had to email carl limbacher after reading this and remind him that hollowpoints generally dont explode and that a gun shot that close to somebody, it probably wouldnt have mattered what ammo he was using.



U.N. Threatens NewsMax Sources

United Nations has reacted to NewsMax's story about an apparent suicide inside the world body's headquarters by "threatening to fire" the officials who spoke to NewsMax's U.N. correspondent Stewart Stogel.

"They (U.N. management) are very upset about the story, but it is true," claimed a U.N. security officer.

One fact first revealed by NewsMax was that a second U.N. security officer had opted taken to take a brief nap in the secluded and closed lounge where the first officer apparently took his life.

The second officer napped for more than 30 minutes, not realizing the first officer seated only feet away was dead.

U.N. is also not happy with the NewsMax report that the U.N.'s sidearms (9mm Glocks) do not carry conventional safety locks and as such, are more prone to accidentally discharge than the Smith & Wessons previously used by the United Nations.

The problem is compounded by the extremely deadly "hollow point" bullets employed by the U.N. security force.

Unlike conventional bullets, hollow points will explode on impact and shatter inside a target's body. The attributes of such ammunition is that there is less chance of a ricochet, endangering bystanders. Also, fewer hollow points are needed to kill a target because of its shattering characterisitc.

Once shot, a hollow point will most likely kill its target, even if accidentally fired. Obviously, there is less margin for error with this ordinance.

As such, NewsMax revealed that numerous U.N. security officers opt to carry empty pistols, with bullets at the ready but not in the gun's firing chamber, as U.N. rules mandate.

"You (NewsMax) sure keep us on our toes, there's no doubt about that," exclaimed one U.N. officer on Wednesday.

One veteran U.N. ambassador told Stogel: "Why are they (the U.N.) getting so involved in this? This is supposed to be a house of peace ... we are supposed to lead by example. What kind of examples are we setting?"

Officially, the U.N. has offered no comment on the NewsMax report.
 
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