Gun laws in Germany II - The Sequel

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Why anyone would cap a non-current events thread is beyond me. :confused:

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The following otherwise usefull thread was archived somewhere back in the forum:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=5158490&highlight=german+gun+laws#post5158490

To continue:

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Imagine some authority coming over to your house to find out if you are storing your guns according to lawfull procedures and the footing you the bill. One owner challenged this ruling in (what's equivalent to) state court and lost his case on grounds that purchasers of firearms have to comply with local ordinances established by local governments.
If the court were to argue that they must foot him the bill, because all citizens should not have to pay for services which only a percentage of citizens benefit from, then one can argue that food inspections are conducted free of charge to restaurants, even though a percentage of citizens solicit the services of restaurants (not to mention that not all taxpaying citizens can afford the services of restaurants) and not all citizens do. But, still pay taxes of which a certain percentage of revenue is directed to conducting an action of which that particular taxpayer cannot benefit from or does not need.

The gun owner who filed the suit filed on grounds that charging him 50 Euros for a service that's neither authorized, in present gun legislation, to collect for this service nor requested (as if it was in his interest that they do so which would then justify footing him the bill for an otherwise unwanted service), contrary to terms of doing business which would apply when dealing with private businesses

http://www.badische-zeitung.de/sued...uessen-die-kontrollen-bezahlen--49709120.html

Waffenbesitzer müssen die Kontrollen bezahlen

STUTTGART (dpa). Waffenbesitzer müssen kommunale Gebühren für unangemeldete Kontrollen bezahlen. Das Stuttgarter Verwaltungsgericht wies die Klage eines Mannes gegen die Stadt Heilbronn ab. Der Kläger, Sportschütze und Besitzer von 38 Lang- und Kurzwaffen, hatte gegen die Stadt geklagt, nachdem diese für eine Überprüfung seines Tresors 50 Euro erhoben hatte. Er argumentierte, die Kommunen seien dazu vom Waffengesetz nicht ermächtigt, und er habe die Überprüfung weder veranlasst noch liege sie in seinem Interesse. Das Gericht entschied, mit dem Kauf einer Waffe sei die zuständige Behörde auch ohne besondere Genehmigung seitens des Besitzers zur Überprüfung berechtigt. (Az.: 5 K 2953/10)
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Anytime you mix culture(s) and law you end up with ignorant laws. Then to compound the situation the local bureaucrats enforce and tax said ignorant laws.

In Texas it is against the law to carry a pair of wire-cutters on your person.
 
In Texas it is against the law to carry a pair of wire-cutters on your person.
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You meen as in fence pliers and if so is that from back in the range war days?

If we had laws like in Germany, I would probably get arrested. My house has 6 rooms and theres a loaded gun or two in each room + one each in my jeep and truck.
 
Why anyone would cap a non-current events thread is beyond me.
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Because most of the time resurrected threads get a "Yeah me too" or something like that, not really relevant.

If you find an old thread that gives you that message, and you feel what you have to say needs to stay in that thread, say an update on a court case or something, just PM a moderator and we can make it work.
 
The Sarge said:
In Texas it is against the law to carry a pair of wire-cutters on your person.
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That is an Austin, TX city ordinance. It is because of the hook end, it's considered a deadly weapon. Not wire cutters, but specifically fence pliers.

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At one time there was a state wide law about these but it's been gone since 1973 when the entire Penal Code in Texas was rewritten/reworded to be more modern. It said something like "Possession of fence pliers off of your own premise". It was used by Texas Rangers to detain suspected cattle thieves, was rarely charged as a standalone crime.
 
Chisel Head,

I completely see your point. I've been in Poland for a little over a year now, and it's not too different here. To even obtain a purchase license here, you may be required to visit a psychiatrist to obtain a letter that you are of sound mind. It's a whole different ball game here in Europe when it comes to firearms.
 
Ich heisse Waffengesetz. Ich meinte ich bin klug, aber ich arbeite nicht. Waffengesetz Sie verrukt und kaput.
 
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How is it a deadly weapon if it has not been used to kill someone? Crime is an ACTION not a tool.
 
mortablunt said:
Ich heisse Waffengesetz. Ich meine ich bin klug, aber ich arbeite nicht. Waffengesetz Sie verrukt und kaput.
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Freetranslation.com" said:
I am named weapon law. I mine I am smart, but I do not work. Weapon law you verrukt and kaput
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~~~online translator I use. Notice it says "free." I guess you get what you pay for. "Kaput" means "broken" and it apparantly didn't get that ....among other things.:scrutiny::rolleyes::what:
 
I thought I said

"I am called weapon law. I think I am clever, but I do not work. Weapon laws are crazy and broken."

The wonders of college German 110.
 
TheMerryMortician said:
...I've been in Poland for a little over a year now, and it's not too different here. To even obtain a purchase license here, you may be required to visit a psychiatrist to obtain a letter that you are of sound mind...
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My ex-wife is from there and judging how those people drive, I'm sure if they applied the same criterion for obtaining drivers' licences, traffic jams would certainly be a thing of the past, there.
It's revolting how most European authorities are strict on firearm ownership, simultaneously ignoring behavior in traffic. Here in Germany, many more people are killed through illegal vehicle use than legal- and illegal firearms use combined. If I wanted to, I can get behind the wheel of a large truck and kill more people on a freeway with one single rear end collision than the number of people I could kill emptying a clip of an automatic pistol. And quicker
 
You know Chisel Head, what really, REALLY scares me is the fact that the requirements to get a driver's license here are much more stringent than in the U.S.!!! You're absolutely right about the laws... It's a whole different ballgame here, that's for sure.
 
^ I heard an anecdote from my father who had a friend who fell in love with a Deutsche Frau, and he married her. The man moved to Germany and was perturbed by the sheer number of rules. Let's think: times when you can mow the grass, times when you can water the grass, the length the grass must be, and so many more. The saying goes that in the western wold, 70% of the workplace rules are in Germany.
 
mortablunt said:
Frau = woman (formal) / wife
It also works as Mrs.
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Correct.

Frau [fraʊ]
n pl Frauen [ˈfraʊən], Fraus
a married German woman: usually used as a title equivalent to Mrs and sometimes extended to older unmarried women.

or

frau/frou/
Noun: A title or form of address for a married or widowed German-speaking woman: "Frau Nordern"


My wife (a native German speaker, but not German) was reading over my shoulder and quipped that it is a bad idea to marry a Frau, since they are already married. :D
 
My wife (a native German speaker, but not German) was reading over my shoulder and quipped that it is a bad idea to marry a Frau, since they are already married.
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Mein Professorin ist Deutsche. Ist Berliner. Meine das Wort is Mädchen; eine junge, ledig, unverheiratete Frau. Ich spreche bisschen Deutsche und ich bin kein sehr gut.
 
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