Gun maker avoids publicity for classic Red Ryder sales

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Gun maker avoids publicity for classic Red Ryder sales
Change in culture discourages focus on Christmas icon

By Melissa Nelson
Associated Press
http://www.lsj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041225/NEWS03/412250317/1001/news

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. - The Red Ryder BB gun is "the Holy Grail of Christmas gifts," according to young Ralphie Parker, who pines for one in the movie "A Christmas Story." But Daisy Outdoor Products, which makes the Red Ryder, is shying away from any publicity that represents the gun as a toy.

Joe Murfin, Daisy's vice president of marketing, was emphatic that BB guns, even if they've been turned into celluloid holiday icons, are not playthings.

"They are not purchased by children and should not be used by young people without adult supervision," Murfin said.

"A BB gun or an air gun is an appropriate Christmas gift, assuming the parent making the gift is willing to take the time to work with the young person and teach them gun safety and marksmanship."

Toy consultant Chris Byrne isn't surprised that Rogers, Ark.-based Daisy doesn't boast about the gun's popularity.

"They are a classic American brand, but anytime you talk about selling guns to kids in today's society, they are pariah," he said.

The gun, named for the comic strip cowboy Red Ryder, remained a favorite among children for decades and was the inspiration for 1983's "A Christmas Story," about a young boy in the 1940s who longs for "an official Red Ryder, carbine-action, 200-shot, Range Model air rifle with a compass on the stock and this thing which tells time."

In the movie, little Ralphie dubs the gun "the Holy Grail of Christmas gifts" but is admonished by numerous adults (his mother, his teacher, even a department store Santa) that "you'll shoot your eye out!"

Despite the cult popularity of the movie, and the zest for Daisy and Red Ryder memorabilia among collectors, the company has for years shunned publicity.

Recent negative news could contribute to the company's desire to keep a low profile.

Last year, Daisy settled a lawsuit brought by the government that alleged defects in 7.5 million high-velocity, multipump pellet-BB rifles marketed to shooters age 16 and older.

The Consumer Product Safety Commission said BBs could get stuck in some models of the air gun, leading users to think that they're empty and posing a potential hazard.

At the time, the commission said at least 15 deaths and 171 serious injuries had been associated with the alleged defect.

As part of the settlement, the company agreed to launch a $1.5 million safety campaign and to put additional warning labels on its high-powered guns.

Harry Wilson, who teaches political science at Roanoke College in Salem, Va., and is writing a book about gun-control policy, said there is no upside for Daisy to seek widespread publicity.

Daisy's tactics are similar to those of firearm manufacturers who target their niche in trade magazines and on outdoor channels, he said.

"They think people who have nostalgia for the BB guns will still go buy them, and they don't want to stir up the other folks," Wilson said.

"It's part of our culture now that (firearms manufacturers) feel that they have to fly below the radar screen."

Daisy collector Neal Punchard, who wrote a retrospective coffee-table book to mark the company's first century, said it is a shame that such a venerable American institution has become overlooked because there is such an anti-gun backlash.

"But then, anyway you slice it, they're selling guns to kids," he said.

Wilson sees some irony in the situation, noting that violent video games continue to grow in popularity but BB guns have come under fire.

"There's no question that, with video games, the level of violence has been ratcheted way, way up. Shooting aliens on a plasma TV is a lot different than shooting a tin can with a BB gun," he said.

Byrne said the toy industry has become so anti-gun that water guns are no longer called guns: "They're called blasters now."

"We have all these abstract concepts saying kids shouldn't play with guns," he said. "But if you look at kids playing with laser blasters, as long as we show guns giving power to the powerless, you will see it showing up in play."

"A Christmas Story," based on the book "In God We Trust: All Others Pay Cash" by humorist Jean Shepherd, ends with Ralphie snuggled in bed with his Red Ryder, nicknamed Old Blue.
 
Santa needs to stuff big lumps of coal down the socks of the attorneys who sued Daisy - while they're wearing them. :evil:
 
We have all these abstract concepts saying kids shouldn't play with guns

Can't say that isn't right. Kids should properly use guns under adult supervision.

But if we are talking about toy guns, they really aren't guns. So the above does not apply.
 
Horsepucky!!!

We used to raise a "nation of shooters". Hell - we use to RAISE kids RIGHT - period. Thank Goodness some folks-still do.

WE , parents, kinfolks, neighbors and ALL instilled a sense of personal repsonsibility and in doing so taught the basic fundamentals of LIFE. This of Course began with SAFETY. Be it using the Stove/ Oven, lighting the fireplace, picking blackberries, how to shoot firearms archery...

Before "PC-R-US" and "Lititgation.dot com" , Daisy and Ben Pearson used to PROVIDE to the schools air guns, and archery equipment so WE kids could continue to practice these LIFE skills. Parents, Kids, Schools, and the School Board THANKED These folks for the donations and such. Letters, newpapers, radio and TV Thanked these folks...showed kids with grins and targets...

I ever get rich , I'd give serious thought to building a indoor Air Gun and Archery Range, let the kids learn as I did. They can bring scissors and knives in as well. Then buy the air time and give the whiners and handringers some heart attacks with the grins and targets of kids...

arrgghh!!!
 
Can't say that isn't right. Kids should properly use guns under adult supervision.

But if we are talking about toy guns, they really aren't guns. So the above does not apply.
I have to agree completely. I've never understood people that insist that their kids don't play with toy guns or if they do that they never point them at anyone or play cops and robbers, etc. You won't see the same parents insisting that their kids always obey traffic laws while playing with hotwheels and never to simulate wrecks with them! The real thing and the toy are two different things.

If shooting at friends with cap guns when I was a little kid was suppose to make me mishandle and treat real guns without respect, then it failed to do it's job.

When my friend let his 4-year old shoot a bb gun the other day it was obvious that even he knew the difference between it and his toys. He suddenly changed from the normal rowdy little kid to very serious about the situation.
 
We Love the Red Rider BB-Gun

I'm a lawyer, a shooter, an instructor, a hunter, a Scout Leader and I bought a nice one for my little boy. I took my son to the Daisy Museum in Arkansas on our way to his first Turkey Hunt.

Christopher loves his Daisy BB Gun, and since he's learned some good solid safety skills, the last thing we have to worry about is "shooting your eye out, Kid". We took it out today for some fun at Desert Sportsmen range....

Merry Christmas to all our fellow shooters out there. Let's take our kids and their cousins and friends out shooting and hunting, and let these get their first taste of the fun, fellowship and heritage we all share.

Merry Christmas!
 
The Consumer Product Safety Commission said BBs could get stuck in some models of the air gun, leading users to think that they're empty and posing a potential hazard.

Huh, I thought guns weren't covered by consumer safety? ;)
 
The Consumer Product Safety Commission said BBs could get stuck in some models of the air gun, leading users to think that they're empty and posing a potential hazard.

I was thinking about this line. It's not that the air gun's gonna have an overpressure situation and kb, like what might happen with a squib in a firearm. The unsafe situation is the yahoo who points "empty" weapons at people and pulls the trigger.

Liberal applications of the four rules (preferably engraved on a wooden paddle) would solve this problem.
 
I looked at a Red Ryder BB gun at Wal-Mart recently. Piece of crap, of the first order. Absolute junk. Can't imagine anyone wanting one.

I actually did buy one of the Daisy/Winchester Model 94 BB guns. Got it home, opened the box to find that the outer barrel, receiver, lever, and trigger were PLASTIC.

Returned it to Wal-Mart the next day. Junk. Both Daisy and Winchester should be ashamed of seeing their respective corporate names on such trash.
 
Apparently the anti-gun folks never saw the end of the movie. It clearly shows what can happen if proper gun safety is disregarded. Ralphie almost takes one in the eye.
 
My Dad (72 this month!) and I both bought the current Red Ryder BB gun for "cat-scat" duty. Don't wanna kill the kitties, just sting them and send them packing. It does this well - the velocity is so low.
But, as stated above - it's a far cry from what I had as a kid. More plastic on this new issue.
It doesn't seem as accurate either, but that may be just my 47 year old eyes not seeing the sights as well . . . ;)
 
I can vouch that a Daisy Red Ryder has sufficient velocity and energy to kill a mouse. I have so far dispatched three household mice with my son's RR. (I wonder if the local taxidermist will do mouse trophies...)
 
Santa left a Red Ryder under the tree for my son this year and he loves it.
Of course he wears youth shooters glasses(don't want him to shoot his eye out.)
Starting them out wearing glasses is like starting them out wearing bike helmets and seat belts. It just becomes second nature. I was surprised to see that alot of parts were plastic, including the cocking lever. Of course if it breaks I'll take it back.
 
I heard that the Christmas Story version of the Red Ryder was a figment of someones imagination and that Daisy later came out with the Red Ryder styled after the Christmas Story version. Anyone out there a BB gun expert??

My first BB gun was given to me at the age of 11. It was a single pump version that had a magazine in the barrel. Never did hurt myself or shoot anyone with it either. My parents would give me and my brother a pair of .22 rifles and a box of bullets to go zap prarie dogs with when I was 12 and my brother was 10. Never did hurt anything besides prarie dogs. I later progressed to a semi auto C02 powered BB gun that was incredibly accurate.

I personally think that every kid should be taught to shoot a BB gun while in grade school. This "zero tolerance" nonsense in our schools is just a communist plot to turn our youth against guns.
 
benEzra, I don't imagine you'd have much trouble. The only problem might be that he wants as much as for doing a larger piece.

Just tell him it's your kid's first trophy. Or it's for a joke, school science project.
 
They were real

I read the Red Ryder books and I got my Daisy Red Ryder Lever-action BB gun when I was 8 years old, in the 2nd half of the 40's. Mine didn't have silly gee-gaws like compass or time-piece -- it was a real shootin' iron.

My best friend had the pump model. He had more power per shot, but could only load 50 bb's at a time to my 200 minimum.

Of course they could kill small critters. Mice were nothin'. Neither were sputzies (Sparrows). We financed ammunition by hunting down gophers for the 5-cent bounty, but didn't have the power to bring down Starlings or Crows. The neighborhood housewives let it be known they would "fix" any kid who even waved his gun in the general direction of "THEIR" squirrels and pretty songbirds. We had reason to believe them.

There was no such thing as adult supervision (other than those beady-eyed housewives).
We shot each other. It stung. We didn't like it.
We stopped shooting each other.
Same thing with bows and arrows, slingshots, etcetera.

Everybody I knew took both pellet-guns and Firearms seriously.
There was no confusion about it either.
 
This is the second time I'ver heard of a Red Ryder "pump". I've never seen one and I can't find a link to a pic on the web. Anyone have a pic or a link location of one of these models? I can remember the old Daisy Model 25's. Are they anything like those?
 
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