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Not Your Dad's BB Gun
More Powerful Models Used in Shootings Giving Toy a Bad Name
By Don Oldenburg
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, November 26, 2004; Page C01


When George W. Bush was 16 or so, the frogs in the pond outside his boyhood home in Midland, Tex., weren't the only targets the future president shot at with his trusty BB gun.

"He said, 'I'm going to count to 10, and you run all the way down the hall,' " the president's little brother, Neil Bush, recalled at a Utah Republican Party dinner in Provo two years ago, according to the Deseret News.

Big brother drawing a bead on the backsides of siblings Neil and Jeb must have left a mark because Neil also told the story to a class of Richmond second-graders. "I was running as fast as I can with my little lightweight summer pj's on, and then '7, 8, 9, 10!' Boom! I felt it on my right [butt] cheek," the Richmond.com news reported his recounting.

But those were simpler times. And BB guns aren't what they used to be -- not most of them. As indicated by the recent spate of BB gun sniping in Northern Virginia and the report this month from the American Academy of Pediatrics attributing about 21,000 injuries annually to BB guns and other air guns, America's Norman Rockwell-like nostalgia for the seemingly benign BB gun may be off target.

"What we think of as BB guns is a lot different than what we're looking at today," says Kraig Troxell, spokesman for the Loudoun County Sheriff's Office. "Some of these firearms are sold at traditional toy stores, but they aren't toys."

Loudoun County last week charged four teenage boys with malicious wounding after a BB gun was fired into a crowd of 20 teenagers on Halloween night in Sterling. Using a BB rifle equipped with a scope and powered by compressed carbon dioxide propulsion, they hit four teenagers, including a 14-year-old girl who was struck "less than an inch from her eye," law enforcement officials say.

The attack came within weeks of other area incidents that are giving BB guns a bad name: A 10-year-old boy was struck in the head while playing in his Alexandria yard, a 27-year-old Woodbridge woman was fired on from a van, a Nokesville man was shot in the eye and more than a dozen car windshields and businesses' windows were shot out in Manassas and Arlington.

"It's hard to speculate what was going through their minds -- whether it was a prank that turned out not to be funny at all," says Troxell.

He is uncertain why BB gun shootings seem to have spiked in the area recently. "I think a lot of people don't realize the harm that [BB guns] can cause."

That may be because of public perception lingering from when BB guns were thought of as no more harmful than "frogging" a buddy with a knuckle punch to the biceps or throwing an elbow rebounding a basketball. In the '40s, '50s, even '60s, they were a rite of passage, held in the same esteem as a good pocketknife.

"In my town, everybody had a BB gun and everybody shot everybody," says noted environmental activist Paul Watson, who grew up four decades ago in the small Canadian coastal town of St. Andrews in New Brunswick. "We used to play 'Cowboys and Indians' with real BB guns and bows and arrows."

Like George W. Bush, Watson once sighted down the barrel of his Daisy BB gun at somebody's buttocks and pulled the trigger. "Except for that boy, I never shot any living thing," he says, explaining that he was 12 at the time and the other boy was about to shoot a bird. Watson fired first, bruised the boy's rear and saved the bird. "A BB in the butt isn't a fatal shot," he says, but "I'm surprised we actually survived childhood."

Humorist Jean Shepherd's "A Christmas Story," a short story and movie classic about growing up in the '40s, is practically a boy's paean to BB guns. The only thing on 10-year-old Ralphie Parker's Christmas list is a Daisy "Red Ryder" -- the carbine-action, 200-shot lightning loader, range-model air rifle with a shock-proof, high-adventure combination trail compass and sundial built into the stock. It is, Shepherd proclaimed, "the Holy Grail of Christmas gifts."

Ralphie's epic quest to convince his parents, teachers and Santa that he should get a BB gun runs up against the inevitable refrain: "You'll shoot your eye out!" But back then it had the ring of motherly caution, like "Don't put your mouth on the public water fountain."

"You just weren't a boy unless you had a BB gun," says California air-gun collector Robert Beeman, "king of air guns," who has what's considered the world's largest collection -- 3,000 pieces ranging from an Austrian smokeless .46-caliber repeating military air gun from the 1700s to today's most powerful air guns. "Now you are much more likely to find a kid with a game console than with a real, functioning BB gun. You even mention a BB gun in a social setting and the conversation stops and people look at you."

Today it's a different world. The American Academy of Pediatrics' report said of the 21,000 air-gun-inflicted injuries each year -- which includes all degrees of injury, penetrating and nonpenetrating -- 4 percent require hospitalization. Between 1990 and 2000, air guns caused an average of four deaths each year, most to children younger than 15. The report came two weeks after a 13-year-old South Carolina boy accidentally killed an 8-year-old friend when the BB penetrated his chest and struck his heart.

"Many of us remember having had BB guns and didn't associate them with serious injury and death," says Danielle Laraque, a physician and professor of pediatrics at Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York and lead author of the study. But today, she says, "these nonpowder guns are not toys. It is important to say that because they are marketed at times as toys and carried in department stores and toy stores."

Virginia D. Nethercutt isn't your typical advocate for alerting the public about the dangers of BB guns. She grew up the daughter of a Green Beret who served in Vietnam. She and her husband are proud members of the National Rifle Association, do not support gun control and are avid hunters (he bagged a nine-point buck two weeks ago).

"We used to have BB gun fights, and it was nothing," says the Havelock, N.C., mother, recalling her childhood years and her lever-action Daisy BB gun.

But when her daughter, Kayla, was 9, a 16-year-old neighbor shot at her with a high-powered BB gun from 150 yards away. The pellet ricocheted off the pavement and lodged four inches deep in the girl's thigh. The state court convicted the boy of assault with a deadly weapon and intent to commit bodily harm.

"We were shocked because they tested the gun and it had the muzzle velocity of a .22, and a .22 has a mile range," says Nethercutt, whose daughter, now 17, recovered except for discomfort in her leg when playing sports. "We didn't know that BB guns were that powerful and we're avid gun people. Most people don't realize it. Parents need to know this."

The BB gun legacy changed from Ralphie's comical quest to the troubled Donnie Darko shooting the stuffing out of Smurfs with the advent of adult-grade air guns.

"The industry didn't sneak this over on everybody. Their sales pitch was that these guns are powerful," says Beeman, who was at the forefront of that market expansion, turning a modest mail-order air-gun company into the international business Beeman Precision Airguns.

In the early '70s, Beeman says, Daisy split the air-gun market by creating a new line of adult air guns that were considerably more powerful than its youth guns.

The Youth Line guns, which Daisy recommended for kids 12 and older with adult supervision, fire BBs or pellets at a velocity of less than 350 feet per second, he says. Ralphie's Red Ryder, Daisy's second-best seller, was 280 to 350 fps. The "hardest hitting" of Daisy's traditional BB guns, Beeman says, was the Model 25 -- 25 million sold in 58 variations from 1914 to 1979 -- which fired in the 400 fps range.

"Around 350 feet per second is a figure you want to keep in mind," says Beeman. "At 300 to 400 fps, that's where penetration occurs in a human skin. Below 350 fps, it is generally considered capable of only limited harm. Above 350 is considered very harmful or lethal. You go into the skull probably at around 500."

The Power Line guns, recommended for ages 16 and older with adult supervision, often more than doubled the Youth Line velocities. "Those are the ones that are being pointed at by the consumer advocates who say there's a risk," says Beeman.

Most of the powerful adult air guns don't look much like the youth models, says Beeman. The Condor -- which came out in March, is made by AirForce and sells for about $600 -- looks like a black stealth weapon. It shoots a 14.3-grain lead pellet at 1,250 fps for the first five shots and 1,200 fps for the next 15 -- promoted as faster than any air rifle on the market.

Like most gun advocates, Beeman believes proper instruction is the most important step toward safe handling of any firearm -- including a BB gun. He credits Daisy for spending millions of dollars to train millions of youngsters in the safe handling of guns, and says the NRA has also tried to improve BB gun safety.

In fact, listening to the white-bearded Beeman, one might mistake him for Ralphie's BB-gun-delivering Santa of old. He doesn't hesitate to make the case that BB guns -- the ones made for youngsters, that is -- aren't really any more dangerous than the Red Ryder Ralphie had on his list.

But there's that safety issue. The incidents. The pediatrics report. "You'll shoot your eye out."

"You can get a big case against the danger of bubble gum," Beeman says. He's loaded with statistics to counter the pediatrics report and indicate that bicycles and skateboards, even coins that are shoved into ears and up noses, result in far more injuries than BB guns.

The Consumer Product Safety Commission estimates that in 2003, there were 550,000 to 600,000 injuries associated with bicycles and 97,640 injuries from skateboards that required emergency room treatment, compared with 19,504 for air guns -- including the high-powered air guns.

Laraque points out that there are more bikes and skateboards in use. However, she adds, "one doesn't negate the other. This report is in line with reports on anything that causes injuries."

Beeman persists: "When we talk about 21,000 kids were injured, we have to stand back and say, what did that injury mean? Was it a finger cut or did it go into his brain?"

He says the pediatrics statistics even count as a "BB accident" when someone sticks a BB in his ear. "What I'm saying is, for every several billion BBs produced, there is only one injury recorded," says Beeman. "BB guns and air guns are probably among the safest recreational objects around."

Tell that to Neil Bush. Although the White House did not respond to a request that the president recall his BB gun-brandishing days, in hindsight, the president's brother did tell those Richmond school kids that shooting siblings and other people with BBs is "a really stupid thing."



© 2004 The Washington Post Company
 
Every year before Christmas the Eloi bleat about our luftgewehren. No doubt they will run that objective hit piece on "60 Minutes" about air rifles in December. :rolleyes:

It's bad enough we un-educated, oxcart driving religous zealots in Jesusland have firearms, but we incite the youth into our culture of gun deviance with air guns. Boo hoo hoo, the children.

Parents need to know how "powerful" air guns are. :rolleyes: Parents need to stop raising children as pets and actually parent. Oops, did I say that. How insensitive of me! :D
 
Damn

And I just got the CO2 powered P23 for my girlfriends daughter. :banghead:

Well I gave it to her after verifying that both mother and daughter understood the power that it had. The poor kid had been having trouble racking the slide on the spring powered one she had. I think I will make sure we all go over the CD for the PC that came with it. It has a safety video with it...

I don't want to be responsible for anyinjuries and certainly don't want to underestimate (or overestimate) danger in these things. I think adult supervision is the key. I will re-stress that to her mother. I too am a survivor of the bb wars but then again we didn't have CO2 power. and we abided by the 1 pump rule (mostly)
 
Oh yeah,

Not to hijack but I also suvived the blow dart wars.
anyone else build these?

You use a commonplace straw and needles and the tips of shoelaces (the plastic wrapped part) and fray part of them out. putthe needle trough the shoelace with part frayed behing the end of the needle and you put in a strw and blow. I have a taget in my office currently and a set of homemade blowdarts :evil: The guys around the office stop by toplay from time to time...
 
Once again we have to listen to the "well, duh!" safety revelations that come about as a direct result of people letting technology and society raise their kids instead of taking the responsability themselves. BB Guns can be dangerous? Why didn't you tell us?? (Shaking fist at TV....) Why is it in all of these stories the only things mentioned are the 16 year old and his, GASP, BB gun? If more parents said NO to their children instead of trying to be their friends, I dare say that it would at least slow the progression of society into the abyss.. I would'nt have to have my 7 year old sons friends bringing over the new "cartoon" their parents bought him, then have both of them ask me to put it on, only to find that it is the new DVD release of "Ninja Scroll".... (If you're scratching your heads, its Japanese Anime with a hard R rating) Parents don't stop to think that kids should not have unrestricted access to guns of ANY kinds, they don't need cell phones and pagers "Because averybody has them", and perhaps they should look at what movies/games/tv shows, they expose their kids to.
 
Remember lawn darts? Now there was a toy that could put you in the hospital fast! But you know, left to ourselves we devised the fun game of "jumping off the roof," which I hardly think is approved by the American Pediatrics Association either.
 
another okie

Remember lawn darts? Now there was a toy that could put you in the hospital fast! But you know, left to ourselves we devised the fun game of "jumping off the roof," which I hardly think is approved by the American Pediatrics Association either.

You forgot to mention the "pillowcase cape" that could also be used for a parachute when making those jumps. :D
 
"Jumping off the roof" Ahhh yes, the perfect 4 season sport.

The game remained the same, it was the shock on landing that changed. :D

I still miss lawn darts, they stuck good in trees.
 
Funny they mention the FPS..

Our Airsoft guns are currently limited to 350 FPS for everyone. We used to have an upper limit of 500 for the bolt-actions, but there was a bit of trouble with the insurance.
 
i must have thrown lawn darts for years, but i never thought about throwing one into a tree.... or straight up for that matter...

and never ever ever at the dog... :uhoh:
 
I've had a bad experience with lawn darts.

When I was 7 or 8, not sure, I got hit in the head with a lawn dart. Thank god I didn't really mess me up. Hit me right at the top of my skull.

I'm 20 now, in college, so I don't think I've been messed up too bad. But that scared the crap out of me, not to mention my neighbor that did it. She still remembers that.

Cyanide
 
shooting your brother in the ass with an airsoft or cheap daisy is just messing around, aiming for someones head with a 1200fps air rifle and pulling the trigger is assault with a deadly weapon.
 
Me and the neighborhood kids used to play catch with jarts, when we weren't busy throwing them at squirrels or cats. I don't think anyone who had them things actually played with them the 'right' way. :D

Jumping off roofs. Check
Jumping off the main bridge in town into the river- done that.
Sword and spear fights with sticks. Yup
All-Star wrestling- did that too.


Its amazing how worried people are about kids these days when the overwhelming majority of people like me live to adulthood with only a few scars to mark the fun times.
 
Not your Dad's BB Gun

Darn tootin! My old Daisy 880 had an all metal receiver and NO rifling! Now they're all made o' plastic! No heft whatsoever. And the doggone rifling puts a sort of "english spin" on the BB. I can't count how many times I've watched BBs go zooming off target like a friggin' curve ball! Oh how I long for the good ol days!
 
A BB a 500 FPS can penitrate a skull?

YEAH RIGHT!

I remember several years ago when I first got my pump air rifle (Which shoots BBs 650-700 FPS with 10 pumps) I decided to see how deep it would go into an old dog kennel. It was made of plastic and was no thicker than 1/8 inch or so.

I shot it from 10-15 away and heard the loud sound of a BB hitting wood. It turns out that the BB bounced off the kennel (leaving a barely visible mark) and hit the garage door behind me.

Also, at 650 FPS, a BB wouldnt penitrate more than 1/4 inch into hardwood.
 
left to ourselves we devised the fun game of "jumping off the roof," which I hardly think is approved by the American Pediatrics Association either.

<<SNORT>>. How about "jumping out of the hayloft with a parachute homemade out of burlap sacks". Fortunatly I tested it first with a bushel basket payload, instead of me. It fell like a stone, 9.8 meters per second squared. Hmmmmm.
 
"What we think of as BB guns is a lot different than what we're looking at today," says Kraig Troxell, spokesman for the Loudoun County Sheriff's Office. "Some of these firearms are sold at traditional toy stores, but they aren't toys."

Airguns are not FIREARMS. While they do expel a projectile there is no fire involved. I have never seen a firearm for sale at a toy store unless you consider cap guns as such.

The media's ignorance pisses me off.

KS

Proud owner of an AirForce Talon SS and a Mac1 LD1., precision adult airguns.
 
Not my dad's BB gun? You bet!

My dad's was made between the wars, and was made of steel with a walnut stock. It even had a bayonet lug and came with a metal (unsharpened but still pointy) bayonet.

One of the greatest tragedies in our family is that no-one was able to track that gun down after about 1965. We think it may have been lost or stolen during a move.

BTW, when my oldest son turned six, I thought about getting him a BB gun, but realized that the realilty is that he wouldn't be able to shoot it in our backyard. We'd probably end up having to have him shoot it at the range... so, skipping the intermediate steps, I just got a single-shot .22lr. It's actually easier for him to operate, and with my supervision, he's very safe (more so than lots of the "adults" sighting in deer-rifles over the past few weeks).
 
El Tejon,

I was unaware that any individual state classified them as such. Federal Law does not.

It just gets under my skin the sensationalism when it comes to anything that expels a projectile. The last thing we need now is to have to register, get a instant back round check, get a carry permit for airguns. What's next sling shots or sharp pointed sticks?

KS
 
Sling shots are already illegal here in MA.

Doesn't stop anyone from taking a 15 minute trip to NH to buy them, though. :rolleyes:
 
I had (and still have) a Crossman 760. My friends and I were careful never to shoot at one another. We shot cans, plastic toy soldiers and unwanted models. Now I have a Farco Air Shotgun that'll shot a .43 caliber lead ball through several layers of sheetrock before it penetrates 3/8" plywood at 25 yards distance. That's no toy. I'd like to get another and have it rifled. :p

BTW, airguns have always been illegal since I was a kid. My father knew it but granted me permission to buy the 760 and it was purchased from out of town.
 
I look at this another way. How many of these ER visits are injuries that 30 years ago would require a band-aid? Or, maybe, the BB bounced off the kids foot, but the parents want to make sure he is OK? After all only 4% of the 'victims' are hospatilized.
 
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