heypete
Member
Greetings all,
I've perused much of the archives here (at least the last year or so), and am seeking a price-check on a Cannon C-23 "safe" (technically an RSC).
The local safe shop has some very pleasant employees, seemed quite knowledgeable, listened to what I was looking for in terms of a secure firearm storage container (anything beats the sheet-metal Stack-On cabinet I have now), and recommended a Cannon. They showed me several different models of Cannon safes, and I seemed most impressed by the C-23. In addition to being made in the US (somewhat important to me), it offers a 40 minute 1200F fire protection rating (Intertek-ETL, not UL), and seems to offer the security I need at a reasonable cost.
Total cost is $1,400. This includes the electronic lock (without it, it'd be $1,300, but I prefer the electronic lock), next-day delivery, installation, and bolting-down. The price also includes taxes, so it's the complete out-the-door-into-my-closet price. Compared to other similar safes offered by competitors in the local area, that's a good deal (more than $200 less than a comparable Liberty safe with similar features from a competitor with poor customer service, with additional delivery and installation charges added on).
To me, this seems to be a pretty fair deal. I realize the differences between a proper "safe" and an RSC, but this seems to be more than sufficient for my reasonably-foreseeable needs. Right now I have eight long guns and a single handgun (sold the rest of the pistols a few months ago to pay bills), and this safe advertises a 22-gun capacity (more like 15-18 realistically), which should give me room to expand in the future.
Total value of my guns is about $4000-$5000, and I have one NFA article (a Gem-Tech Outback II suppressor...well, I don't have it yet, but it should be ready for pickup sometime in December). Due to my being located in an apartment with reasonably attentive neighbors (i.e. they're able to hear the sounds of criminal activities), I'm not worried about plasma-cutter-equipped safecrackers working all night to steal the contents of my safe. I'm more worried about smash-and-grab criminals armed with angle grinders and 10 minutes or so of time, and this seems to offer suitable protection. Any thoughts?
The shop showed me a Cannon safe (again, technically an RSC) today that they were doing warranty-replacement on because it was cut in an attempted burglary. It seems the criminals used an angle grinder or some other such tool, and attempted to cut the door and doorframe. They managed to scuff up the paint in a lot of areas, cut a 3" long cut through the outer steel of the door, and make a few minor incisions on the door frame. They also knocked the lock dial off, but for all their efforts they were not able to compromise anything that would allow the door to open or otherwise allow them access to the safe. Cannon is replacing the safe for free, which is nice. Given the security situation at my apartment (criminals could cut the beams the safe'll be locked to and simply cart off the thing whole if they were that keen on taking it, and there's nothing I can do to harden the walls to prevent it), this seems to be more than adequate.
I have no reason to believe that a criminal would know ahead of time that I possessed such a safe, owned firearms or other valuables (other than my guns and computers, the safe'll be the most expensive thing in the apartment), or otherwise have reason to burglarize my property or target me specifically for crime.
I'm rambling, but essentially here's my question:
1) Does this seem like a reasonable price for this safe, including all taxes and installation?
2) Does this seem like it would provide a reasonable degree of security from an average criminal?
Any input would be useful, particularly from other Cannon owners.
Cheers!
I've perused much of the archives here (at least the last year or so), and am seeking a price-check on a Cannon C-23 "safe" (technically an RSC).
The local safe shop has some very pleasant employees, seemed quite knowledgeable, listened to what I was looking for in terms of a secure firearm storage container (anything beats the sheet-metal Stack-On cabinet I have now), and recommended a Cannon. They showed me several different models of Cannon safes, and I seemed most impressed by the C-23. In addition to being made in the US (somewhat important to me), it offers a 40 minute 1200F fire protection rating (Intertek-ETL, not UL), and seems to offer the security I need at a reasonable cost.
Total cost is $1,400. This includes the electronic lock (without it, it'd be $1,300, but I prefer the electronic lock), next-day delivery, installation, and bolting-down. The price also includes taxes, so it's the complete out-the-door-into-my-closet price. Compared to other similar safes offered by competitors in the local area, that's a good deal (more than $200 less than a comparable Liberty safe with similar features from a competitor with poor customer service, with additional delivery and installation charges added on).
To me, this seems to be a pretty fair deal. I realize the differences between a proper "safe" and an RSC, but this seems to be more than sufficient for my reasonably-foreseeable needs. Right now I have eight long guns and a single handgun (sold the rest of the pistols a few months ago to pay bills), and this safe advertises a 22-gun capacity (more like 15-18 realistically), which should give me room to expand in the future.
Total value of my guns is about $4000-$5000, and I have one NFA article (a Gem-Tech Outback II suppressor...well, I don't have it yet, but it should be ready for pickup sometime in December). Due to my being located in an apartment with reasonably attentive neighbors (i.e. they're able to hear the sounds of criminal activities), I'm not worried about plasma-cutter-equipped safecrackers working all night to steal the contents of my safe. I'm more worried about smash-and-grab criminals armed with angle grinders and 10 minutes or so of time, and this seems to offer suitable protection. Any thoughts?
The shop showed me a Cannon safe (again, technically an RSC) today that they were doing warranty-replacement on because it was cut in an attempted burglary. It seems the criminals used an angle grinder or some other such tool, and attempted to cut the door and doorframe. They managed to scuff up the paint in a lot of areas, cut a 3" long cut through the outer steel of the door, and make a few minor incisions on the door frame. They also knocked the lock dial off, but for all their efforts they were not able to compromise anything that would allow the door to open or otherwise allow them access to the safe. Cannon is replacing the safe for free, which is nice. Given the security situation at my apartment (criminals could cut the beams the safe'll be locked to and simply cart off the thing whole if they were that keen on taking it, and there's nothing I can do to harden the walls to prevent it), this seems to be more than adequate.
I have no reason to believe that a criminal would know ahead of time that I possessed such a safe, owned firearms or other valuables (other than my guns and computers, the safe'll be the most expensive thing in the apartment), or otherwise have reason to burglarize my property or target me specifically for crime.
I'm rambling, but essentially here's my question:
1) Does this seem like a reasonable price for this safe, including all taxes and installation?
2) Does this seem like it would provide a reasonable degree of security from an average criminal?
Any input would be useful, particularly from other Cannon owners.
Cheers!