Gun Shop Malpractice?

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<Yoda voice> Your own business, you should mind.
:D

All kidding aside, you can make an enemy of the gun shop owner this way, as stated above. He's trying to sell what he has first. Sounds like a perfect situation for him. Customer comes in, says "I want X." Salesman says "I just happen to have X right here!" Everyone's happy.

We all have to learn what works for us and what doesn't.
 
give me your thoughts on whether a gun shop owner should sell a newbie what he asks for, or should an experienced gun dealer take time to explain to a newbie that something else might be better.

A business should give the customer what he asks for. If he asks for advice, give him advice. If he asks for a specific item, sell him the item.

If the knowledgeable seller is certain that the customer has made a poor choice, the seller might ask if he can suggest something that might be more suited to the customer's needs, but if the customer doesn't want advice, don't force it on him. And if it seems that wrong, the seller can always just refuse to make the sale.
 
Only time, as a customer/browser, that I have ever said anything between a potential customer and the clerk, is to comment on what I liked about whatever gun they were looking at. If I don't have the gun in question, I don't say anything.
 
This is one of the other great reasons to buy online (be it guns or anything else). No worry about a gun shop owner or an armchair quarterback telling you why you don't really want the item you've picked out.
 
Some people really want to help because they like to share in the enthusiasm of a new gun purchase. Some people are psychopathic, supercilious, over-educated, know-it-all buttinskis who can't wait to tell their whole life story with guns. At the gun counter, I am the first type, but am fearful of being perceived as some version of the second. As a result, I never overlook the opportunity to shut up.

I say mind your business, let them tend theirs, and move along. There are simply too many avenues of factual information, as well as opinions, available to anybody researching about firearms today for someone to believe one's own interjection is somehow critical or essential to the purchase process by another.
 
The customer said that he'd done some on-line research, and he thought a Ruger P-89 was just the thing he wanted. And that's what the gun shop owner sold him.
Nothing more needed or asked for. Happy transaction,end of story.
 
If you are like me, you visit the same gunstores regularly and the employees know you.

A couple of times, I see buyers who seem to be new into handgunning and ask the employee many questions. I can't help but like to help out especially when the employee runs out of answers. At times, I politely ask if I can make recommendations but many times, the employee who knows me just tells the buyer, "Ask him, he knows alot about guns." I actually get a very positive appreciative comment from the buyer. But I never like to second guess the guy behind the counter. It's not polite and sometimes insulting.
 
My response would have been " Are YOU paying for this or am I?".
If you aren't paying and you weren't asked by either party ****.
 
I might make an exception, if the clerk gave you the nod, and you upsold someone. Meaning you moved him to a more expensive gun that was in stock, and were good enough in sales to do this without blowing the sale. i am, because I am used to closing other peoples deals, owning a GYM, we call it a TO. "so do many others" where the third party is just another voice that is sometimes needed to close the customer. But this is for pro's not for people who aren't in sales.
You need to be able to overcome every objection before you start. But normally as I said earlier, no. You should not get involved.
 
So you are helping out by talking a customer into a higher priced gun if the sales guy gives you the "nod" bc you are a pro? I fail to see how that is helping anybody out. You have no clue what that shop may have in a particular gun. Just bc one costs more doesn't mean they will make more money on it or that its what the customer wants. None of that makes sense.
 
I bought a Ruger LC9 about two weeks ago. The guy behind the counter would not just shut up and sell me one. He was determined to sell me a CW9 Kahr. It was sickening.

Those Kahr's aren't gonna move themselves, ya know...;)
 
if the clerk gave you the nod, and you upsold someone. Meaning you moved him to a more expensive gun that was in stock, and were good enough in sales to do this without blowing the sale. i am, because I am used to closing other peoples deals, owning a GYM, we call it a TO. "so do many others" where the third party is just another voice that is sometimes needed to close the customer. But this is for pro's not for people who aren't in sales.
That sounds an awful lot like being a schill.
 
I don't agree that the customer is always right. IF the store owner really knew his stuff, AND as long as customer counseling and not selling a higher profit item are his motiviation, I see no problem with pointing out the benefit of a properly fitting gun, especially when such a poor fit could easily be a major safety hazard. I wouldn't refuse to sell him what he wants but I would make him aware that better/safer alternatives exist. I wouldn't want it on my conscience that he got hurt or hurt someone else because I failed to point out an unsafe condition.
 
A good FFL will sell the customer what they want. I great FFL will sell the customer what fits their needs and their abilities within their budget.

And that's what puts great FFLs out of business. Out of curiosity,
how does a great FFL ascertain a total stranger's needs and
abilities within their budget?
 
Dealers have no duty to prevent bad choices. It may be in their business interest to do so, but the use of the word "malpractice" is entirely inappropriate. The relationship is buyer-seller and nothing more. The duty of good faith and fair dealing doesn't mandate advice on what to buy.
 
The original post confuses me; so you were just hanging out in a gun store eavesdropping on a customer's conversation?
 
One day I stood by and watched some poor dumb SOB with more money than brains buy both a Colt New Agent and an S&W Scandium 360.

The guy doing the selling was a self-procaimed "high-speed, low drag" operator who made claims that were ludicrous, but the customer was eating it up.

I kept my mouth shut, but having owned a number of 3" 1911s plus at least three Scandium .357s, I know that their utility is fairly limited and they are not guns for the uninitiated (and many of the initiated shun them as well).

Nobody asked my opinion, so I did not offer it, but I walked out of there with a sick feeling, and the vision of a lamb being fleeced...and have not been back to that shop since.

If I ever find myself in that position again, I fear that I will have a bit of a hard time holding my tongue...

Optimistic advertising is one thing, "puffery" is a legal advertising term...but flat out BS is something else.
 
Very rarely will i say anything, and when i do its typically at a junk big box store that doesn't know anything. Also i should say that it its never suggesting a new gun, but it disgusts me to no end when idiots don't know basic information and blatantly tell lies to try and sound knowledgeable.

when i say rarely, im talking once a year??? and it has to be pretty ridiculous to open my mouth.

I have worked at a gun shop and i always found it funny when someone opened their pie hole with just DUMB suggestions i just usually smiled and said "ANYWAYS...."

so many idiots it sometimes went against everything in me to actually sell some people a firearm. I always suggested training... and if they ever answered "I would but money's tight. I would always meet them at the range to help them free of charge.

Not enough people have proper guidance when buying a gun let alone know or understand the 4 rules of firearm safety.
 
1) Nothing infuriates me more than amateur gun salesmen. (OK other things infuriate me more, but that's beside the point).
2) I have seen many customers who "did their research on the internet." They know less than before they started. Before they started they at least knew they didnt know anything. When a customer comes in wanting something totally unsuitable I typically ask why they want that. From there I try to establish what their needs actually are and what gun will best suit all those needs, including their budget. I have many happy and grateful customers.
OCcasionally I come across one who just knows he's right and I'm wrong because after all, he saw it on the internet and did his research. All I can do is ask, do you need any ammo with that?
 
If the opportunity arises for me to share some knowledge, I will. But I rarely go out of my way to help anyone.



That sounds so bad to say lol.
 
When I say nod, I mean he approves of me giving my input rather than budding in. In my friends gunstore he knows i know as much about what's out there and been able to explain things better than most, having been in sales, and around pistols for 50 years .
Sometimes a salesman can't get any further with a customer, and a second voice is required. Having sold many guns to folks while waiting around friends stores, they trust that I won't blow the sale and am more likely to close the sale faster than their employee.
Why don't I work there, simple, they can't afford to pay me what I make. But if I am there and can help, I would gladlly do it for free. I know I am more likelly to fit the right gun to the client, than a 20 year old kid.
If you ever sold for a living , you know certain triggers that move people close or further away. You also know if you can move someone into better gun for a few dollars more.
When you sell millions of dollars of gym memberships, you get a feel for what someone wants. It was very common for me to upsell a client, "very hard to do" but some salesmen who work on commision will sell the client anything just to get their commision, usually the cheapest, not the best for them. This way they know they are getting something,
You aren't doing anyone a favor by saving then a few bucks and getting them the wrong product. Sure that guy may go for the $200 dollar gun because it's cheap, but if you point out the benifits of the better gun you will have a happier client. Usually you will hear things like "I didn't know that, or no one ever bothered to explain the difference to me before" that's what makes a good sale and a happy customer. simple handoffs like he has that gun , tell him what your experience with it was, well I liked this and that but not nearlly as much as this model, because, "list reasons.
Most people fall into 2 catagories, the guy who knows exactlly what he wants, and the searcher. The guy who knows what he wants is really usually interested in price and avaiability, the searcher really needs an explanation as to what the differences are. I would rather have someone explain something to me that I didn't know, than make a mistake, or have a salesman who just agreed with everything I said. Show the client what's available in his range if he isn't sure. I buy guns at deep discounts simplly because the person can't operate them. They bought a 1911, and it jams stovepipes etc, There is nothing wrong with the gun. It's the inability of the client to operate it properlly. He got the wrong gun period.
 
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