Gun Shops and Reloading Supplies

What two pistol powders would you like to see? Refer to original Thread.

  • TiteGroup

    Votes: 9 26.5%
  • Trail Boss

    Votes: 2 5.9%
  • Universal

    Votes: 5 14.7%
  • Unique

    Votes: 15 44.1%
  • W231

    Votes: 11 32.4%
  • HP38

    Votes: 6 17.6%
  • Bullseye

    Votes: 6 17.6%
  • H110

    Votes: 8 23.5%

  • Total voters
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I've spoken with the proprietor of my LGS about this. At least in this case, getting the products from the distributor isn't a problem, LIABILITY INSURANCE is THE problem. The cost of this alone would be prohibitive against any profits that he might realize from the sales. Would also require buy in from the city (occupancy permit, fire marshal, etc) who would want to limit the amount of explosives he has in inventory.

.40

He lied to you. If he’s stocking firearms and ammunition, he has far greater liability insurance and already adheres to greater fire code restrictions than those required for powders and primers. BTDT.
 
Of ne essity, it seems, each poster can only address what they themselbes use. Each post different with likes or alternatives. No one easy to poll all OPs; everyone usea differently. Barring distributor check, you will have to stock most components so you can
quickly ship and over time adjust your inventory.

I don't see Scotts talked about much here.
 
To sell any product, a retailer has to know their market. If your shop is in the middle of town with a lot of indoor pistol ranges, then pistol powders make sense. If your shop is more rural, with a big population of rifle shooters and hunters, then rifle powders make sense.

Personally, I would stock a lot of versatile and high demand powders in the classes common to my area. General classes should break out: semiauto pistol, plinking revolver, magnum revolver, light bullet small case rifle, mid case rifle, large case rifle, magnum rifle, shotgun. For me, that means:

Unique, Bullseye, Power Pistol, HP-38/w231
H110, 2400, 4227, Varget, 8208, Benchmark, H4350, RL16, 4831, 4895, 4064, Retumbo, H1000, H100v.

I haven’t found many cartridges I can’t load with that combination of powders.
 
If I had a small gun shop and was only going to stock a small selection of reloading supplies I would be tempted to ask my customers what they would like to see me stock.
(if it is a small shop I will assume you have time to talk to your customers)
Make a note of what they would like and then you know what to order.
Some things are more popular say like H335 for .223/5.56 but if all your customers prefer say TAC or Varget having H335 does you no good.
Find out what most of your customers reload pistol or rifle or shotgun?
That would make a difference as well.
 
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To sell any product, a retailer has to know their market. If your shop is in the middle of town with a lot of indoor pistol ranges, then pistol powders make sense. If your shop is more rural, with a big population of rifle shooters and hunters, then rifle powders make sense.

And different types of pistol shooters are going to want different things.

One big dynamic for businesses in reloading to recognize is that most serious, high-volume loaders order their powder and primers in big chunks from online retailers. Prices would have to be incredibly aggressive to compete heads-up for this business (which, I suspect, is the majority of the reloading powder/primer business). Can't be selling 100 count primer trays at $4.95 when 1,000 primers are $20-$30 online. Order enough and the shipping hazmat fees aren't really consequential. And I would conjecture most small retailers probably cannot get the volume discounts to offer competitive pricing and retain any margin.... they're probably paying pretty close to what I pay.

So if you are punting on the high-volume stuff, what are the remaining market segments?
  • New reloaders. This is probably the most common viable market strategy - selling stuff to people who aren't ramped up in volumes and who want to be able to look at gear and labels in person because they're still doing a lot of "shopping"/research at purchase time. Varmint's list isn't bad for that, though I'd add Trail Boss to the list on the pistol side and might skip some of the super slow rifle powders (unless you're out west). Lots of 1lb jugs, very few 4lb or 8lb'ers. Goes well with a large stock of Lee die sets.
  • High-end/exotic samplers. If you're in a more populous area, and there are already plenty of places that stock things that new reloaders want, you might focus on people who are established reloaders but who are going beyond "basic" reloading. This might include a willingness to try less common or more expensive components. New-to-U.S. powders like Lovex or Shooter's World lines, or pricier powders like Vihtavuori. "Match" primers. Things people might want to sample (and see if they can detect a beneficial difference) before splashing out for a big order online... or that will be used in small enough quantities that the continued convenience and hazmat-avoidance might keep customers repeating. Would go well with Redding competition seating dies and high-end scales/tricklers.
  • Niche users. If you're in an area that has a really high concentration of some particular subset of shooters, you might try to build a reputation as being the "pro shop" for that group. Of course, you have to really understand that niche to make this work. You need one or more employees who can walk the walk and talk the talk, and help set purchasing and marketing decisions - otherwise, it just won't work. For instance, unless you have a USPSA shooter to guide you, you might not know that Unique, H1000, Blue Dot, AA #5, and Trail Boss - a fine set of useful pistol powders for the general reloading populace - will be almost laughably uninteresting to USPSA shooters. (I have cans of 3 of those at home currently, but they'll never get used for USPSA.) Knowing the "right" stuff to stock is the key to making this strategy work, and is totally dependent upon really knowing the community you're selling to.I think you also have to harmonize a lot of the other non-reloading inventory to this, too.
 
This is a local gun dealer near me (Idol’s Gun Rack) who always has a great selection of primers and powders along with handguns, rifles and shotguns. His number is: 336-996-8444. Give him a call and see how he handles his reloading supplies.
 
This is a local gun dealer near me (Idol’s Gun Rack) who always has a great selection of primers and powders along with handguns, rifles and shotguns. His number is: 336-996-8444. Give him a call and see how he handles his reloading supplies.

This is a store that's about 2 miles from my house. I've commented on them more than once on here. They used to have much more, they still have a good powder choice but they can't get primers now and their powder selections are going down since the store sold a couple years ago.

I still shop there but they mostly want you to order what you want from them now instead of keeping it in stock at all times like they used to. I just love Sandra, she is the best.
I have gotten some really good deals on guns and supplies in that store. I never had any luck over at Colfax.
 
As far as which powders to stock, I have my own favorites, but I think the best pistol powders to stock would be W231, Unique, Bullseye, H110. Rifle powders should include Varget, H4895.
 
By now you can see there is no way to stock reloading supplies like powder and primers and forget bullets completely. Most reloaders have a source already and for the 1 or 2 lbs of powder it is not worth it.
 
I've spoken with the proprietor of my LGS about this. At least in this case, getting the products from the distributor isn't a problem, LIABILITY INSURANCE is THE problem. The cost of this alone would be prohibitive against any profits that he might realize from the sales. Would also require buy in from the city (occupancy permit, fire marshal, etc) who would want to limit the amount of explosives he has in inventory.

.40

I doubt there's any more liability stocking powder and primers than there is stocking cans of hair spray, WD-40, spray paint, camp fuel, propane bottles, etc. And FYI smokeless powder is not an explosive.

I personally would stock Winchester and/or CCI primers. I'm an old dude that grew up using Hercules, AKA Alliant powder for pistols, shotguns and rifles, and IMR and Hodgdon for rifles. So that's what I would stock.

35W
 
Ask the local distributer what he sells the most of in your area. I think it depends on your location and the people who live in that area. Does your area have a lot of handgun shooters ,rifle shooters, hunters, target, long-range target etc.
There are many hunters with mid-range, field hunts and there are a few competitive clubs. There are people who do long range shooting as well.
 
I doubt there's any more liability stocking powder and primers than there is stocking cans of hair spray, WD-40, spray paint, camp fuel, propane bottles, etc. And FYI smokeless powder is not an explosive.

I personally would stock Winchester and/or CCI primers. I'm an old dude that grew up using Hercules, AKA Alliant powder for pistols, shotguns and rifles, and IMR and Hodgdon for rifles. So that's what I would stock.

35W
Thanks for the input. Those are what I am leaning towards.
 
And different types of pistol shooters are going to want different things.

One big dynamic for businesses in reloading to recognize is that most serious, high-volume loaders order their powder and primers in big chunks from online retailers. Prices would have to be incredibly aggressive to compete heads-up for this business (which, I suspect, is the majority of the reloading powder/primer business). Can't be selling 100 count primer trays at $4.95 when 1,000 primers are $20-$30 online. Order enough and the shipping hazmat fees aren't really consequential. And I would conjecture most small retailers probably cannot get the volume discounts to offer competitive pricing and retain any margin.... they're probably paying pretty close to what I pay.

So if you are punting on the high-volume stuff, what are the remaining market segments?
  • New reloaders. This is probably the most common viable market strategy - selling stuff to people who aren't ramped up in volumes and who want to be able to look at gear and labels in person because they're still doing a lot of "shopping"/research at purchase time. Varmint's list isn't bad for that, though I'd add Trail Boss to the list on the pistol side and might skip some of the super slow rifle powders (unless you're out west). Lots of 1lb jugs, very few 4lb or 8lb'ers. Goes well with a large stock of Lee die sets.
  • High-end/exotic samplers. If you're in a more populous area, and there are already plenty of places that stock things that new reloaders want, you might focus on people who are established reloaders but who are going beyond "basic" reloading. This might include a willingness to try less common or more expensive components. New-to-U.S. powders like Lovex or Shooter's World lines, or pricier powders like Vihtavuori. "Match" primers. Things people might want to sample (and see if they can detect a beneficial difference) before splashing out for a big order online... or that will be used in small enough quantities that the continued convenience and hazmat-avoidance might keep customers repeating. Would go well with Redding competition seating dies and high-end scales/tricklers.
  • Niche users. If you're in an area that has a really high concentration of some particular subset of shooters, you might try to build a reputation as being the "pro shop" for that group. Of course, you have to really understand that niche to make this work. You need one or more employees who can walk the walk and talk the talk, and help set purchasing and marketing decisions - otherwise, it just won't work. For instance, unless you have a USPSA shooter to guide you, you might not know that Unique, H1000, Blue Dot, AA #5, and Trail Boss - a fine set of useful pistol powders for the general reloading populace - will be almost laughably uninteresting to USPSA shooters. (I have cans of 3 of those at home currently, but they'll never get used for USPSA.) Knowing the "right" stuff to stock is the key to making this strategy work, and is totally dependent upon really knowing the community you're selling to.I think you also have to harmonize a lot of the other non-reloading inventory to this, too.
Thank you for your time. This is very enlightening and helpful.
 
I reload mostly handgun.

Winchester/CCI primers SP, SPM, LP, LPM

Powders - TiteGroup, Trail Boss, Universal, Trail Boss, Accurate #2 & #5, 2400 & Lil Gun
 
Note on the poll,
HP38/W231 are the same so just as a FYI there would be no need to stock both HP38 and W231.
Same powder different label, most people who use one or the other would not care which, some people however might prefer on label over the other.
For me HP38 is usually less expensive so I prefer the bottle with the smaller number on the price tag:D
 
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Note on the poll,
HP38/W231 are the same so just as a FYI there would be no need to stock both HP38 and W231.
Same powder different label, most people who use on or the other would not care which, some people however might prefer on label over the other.
For me HP38 is usually less expensive so I prefer the bottle with the smaller number on the price tag:D
Good deal. Thank you. I was aware of this detail, but I was just comparing the popularity of the two. The smaller price tag always catches my eye as well:rofl:
 
I'm not sure if you can stock cross brand...but locally, few do. I have one place locally that stocks Alliant, Hodgdon, and Winchester powders (CCI, Fed, Win primers), another that stocks only Hodgdon (Fed primers), and another that stocks Alliant, Ramshot (CCI, Fed primers). No one stocks vihtavuori powder locally...which stinks.

All stock primarily Hornady projectiles. Case in point, I couldn't fine one place that stocks Sierra Match King projectiles, in any caliber.
 
It's definitely going to be hard for a small shop to be competitive with big stores or online sales. A big store/online sales buys in bulk compared to a small shop. I see it all the time around me. Grocery stores are no different - the more they buy the cheaper it is for you to buy. I'm lucky in that Midway USA and Graf and Sons are close to me, plus there is 2 Bass Pro stores, 2 Academy Sports stores and a Cabela's all with in an hour drive for me. The small shops just can't compete with that on prices.

Stocking Winchester and/or CCI primers is a good idea. I can't help on what powders since it varies by location.

I personally only reload 2 rifle calibers, 1 shotgun and several pistol calibers. I only have three powders that I currently use.

Hodgdon Universal - 380, 9mm, 9mm Largo, 40, and 45
Hodgdon H110 - 410 shot shell and 300 Blackout
Hodgdon H335 - 223
 
Just to illustrate the difficulty of trying to figure out the correct stock, the list of powders offered includes a lot of fairly popular powders... and I'd only buy one of them. I'd buy Unique, because I use it for midrange loads in revolver cartridges. Everything else on the list fills a niche where I have something else I like better.
 
Ot doesnt really matter...you will ALWAYS have the wrong powder, or be out of the right powder, same with bullets, ALWAYS have the wrong stuff in stock.

Reloaders are finiky picky cheapskates that want premium components at bulk prices, and my experience has been that they are not afraid to throw online prices around ( most of the time forgetting about shipping) both shipping costs AND shipping times.

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And there you have the BEST answer ever!:)

For the OP just go through the gazillion threads on this forum alone on what is the best powder for xyz and what is the best primer for xyz and you wil fine that there is no way to have in stock what someone will want,

There is just to many variables. It would be like going grocery shopping and there is only one kind of whatever.

How about BEER what brand would you stock?:) Plus the LGS has to pay haz mat like anyone else so they will need to buy enough to offset that and then charge the customer. The customer then complains cause it's to expensive. You gotta go BIG or forget it.
 
My LGS doesn't stock anything related to 9mm, he said 9mm ammo is so cheap he couldn't sell components for it. He does stock a fair amount of rifle stuff though.
 
I picked Unique and W231... you can load just about anything with those 2. You could probably substitute Bullseye for W231, however. You can't, however, ignore the slow powders like H110/W296, and 2400. In rifle cartridges you can get away with 2 powders... but not all pistol cartridges are the same way, generically speaking you would need a fast (W231,) medium (Unique,) and slow (W296) powder on the shelf.
 
My LGS doesn't stock anything related to 9mm, he said 9mm ammo is so cheap he couldn't sell components for it.

I still feel that way... from a reloading perspective. I don't typically waste my time reloading 9mm and 5.56mm FMJ ammos... when I can just buy loaded ammo for cheap, and spend my very limited reloading time loading for cartridges I can't afford to buy.
 
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