Gun shows and taking a picture?

[CZguy]

hope they don't think I am writing down serial numbers!

Good point, this thread seems to have really touched a nerve. But I don't think there will be any going back.

 

[mgmorden]

If a camera flashed in my direction as I was checking out a weapon at a show, I would also corner the guy with the camera and make him delete it.

If you're willing to risk an assault charge simply because of a camera flash caught out of the corner of your eye, you are certainly a man to be with whom to be reckoned!
Let me repeat, it is the OWNER of the property or his/her agent that has that right, NOT YOURS.

Even the owner of the property can't force the person to delete it. They merely can rescind their admittance and have them removed from the show. They cannot detain the person nor their property for a violation of a wall-sign.

 

[Owen Sparks]

There was a case once in my town where some guy climbed up on the roof of his house with a pair of binoculars so that he could watch his neighbor doing some nude sunbathing behind a fence. She saw him and called the police. It turned out that there was nothing they could do because he was on his own property. If he had taken pictures it would not have been any different. She exposed herself in view of his property had he had no legal duty to avert his eyes. If he had set foot on her property to get a better look he could have been charged with voyurism.

 

[12gaugeTim]

It's interesting to watch the attitudes on privacy change over time. I'm part of the "generation next" which may have lost all hope of a sense of privacy. I lurk on Facebook and I see all these statuses involving very personal relationship and family problems, and I can't help but wonder what makes a person think that such information should be made public. However, I don't mind my picture being taken, even if I am holding a gun.
I didn't consider someone using a picture from a gun show as a false representation of an item they are trying to sell on the Internet. I also envisioned pictures of the guns being taken facing vertically and of the gun alone, without anyone holding it or in the frame. From now on I'll know to ask before taking a picture, even if it's just off a cell phone to show to a friend.

 

[psyopspec]

the same piece of paper that allows you and them to have those guns allows you to take the pictures.

Are you contending that because a rude behavior is allowed that it ought to be engaged in?

What's the big deal or better yet, what are you trying to HIDE.

Nothing, comrad. Please don't call the Department of Fatherland Security on me. And remember, if you see something, say something.

 

[Davek1977]

Maybe I'm just weird, but I believe we should all just mind our own business a lot more, which contradicts the ethics of modern instantaneous digital culture. If a camera flashed in my direction as I was checking out a weapon at a show, I would also corner the guy with the camera and make him delete it. Private property rights still mean something.

Well, considering you just admitted you'd commit assault to protect your fictional "private property rights" some might consider you rather strange. As a common citizen, YOU have NO rights to FORCE anyone to do ANYTHING against their will. Attempting to force the issue would likely result in (perfectly valid and enforceable) assault charges being levied against you. What the organization holding the show can do...and what you can do on your own, aren't always the same things. You described an illegal assault almost to a "t". A flash bulb gonng off in your general direction gives no NO right to respond violently, nor does it allow the theft of that person's camera. Don't believe me? Try it sometime and see just how smoothly it works for you....

 

[lloveless]

I hadn't been to a gun show in years. I went to one in Dec.2010. I won't be going to another one. Prices too high(i had sold a gun and had cash in my pocket), too many people, and now no pictures. Have fun in your world, cause I won't be there! Me and my money stay local.

 

[ny32182]

If you don't want your picture taken, all you can do to prevent it is to never leave your house and black out the windows. Your picture is taken 8700 times on the way to the gun show, at the gun show, and on the way home from the gun show.

Also, if the govt is keeping a secret list of gun owners, you are reading/posting on this website... congratulations, you are already on it.

Personally if I were trying to sell something, at a gun show or otherwise, I'd want as many pics as possible. And if I wanted to hide something, by definition I would not be putting it up for sale or bringing it to a place with thousands of people looking at it.

If the promoter "bans pictures", I would expect the only real reason at the end of the day is that they are somehow making money off their own photographer with some sort of exclusive press agreement.

 

[mortablunt]

Many of the bigger gunshow vendors don't like pictures or videos. Maybe it's to do with the Brady Campaign people. I looked up the website for The Nation's Gun Show, and they prohibit photographs taken without express consent of the company. But that's why I like to have a Kodak disposable; most of the individual vendors don't really care.

 

[Elkins45]

One reason promoters want to control photos is because the antis use them to illustrate the prevalence of 'illegal' weapons that are available through the 'gun show loophole'.

Another reason is probably embarrassment: I rarely go to a big show here in KY where there isn't at least one collector of militaria who is displaying his prized Nazi flag or CSA battle standard. Taken out of context those items look really bad when pictured hanging above a table full of guns.

 

[crracer_712]

I've never seen a sign about photos at shows, but then I seldom look at the signs.

I've taken many pictures, at dealers tables with them watching, to send to friends to see if it is something they were talking about or maybe show them something I'd never seen before. No one has ever said anything to me.

 

[ny32182]

One reason promoters want to control photos is because the antis use them to illustrate the prevalence of 'illegal' weapons that are available through the 'gun show loophole'.

I doubt "Blum-burg" was using overt cameras for any of his shenanigans. A "photo ban" will do nothing to stop the wiley gunshow "loophole" investigative reporter. Simply following all applicable transfer laws would be the best course of action, and hopefully prosecuting the interstate "investigative reporters" for violating the laws that they are apparently violating.

Another reason is probably embarrassment: I rarely go to a big show here in KY where there isn't at least one collector of militaria who is displaying his prized Nazi flag or CSA battle standard. Taken out of context those items look really bad when pictured hanging above a table full of guns.

They don't look much better in context either. A gunshow is not a museum. It IS the wrong context.

 

[SpeedAKL]

Every gun show I've been to (which is the same few gun shows over and over) prohibits photography. I think it's annoying, but I understand why. To add a new spin to an old saying, there are lies, damn lies, and photos on the Internet. Us gun guys are not bothered by what we see at a gun show, but there is plenty of material on display at those shows for the media or anti-gun activists to manipulate into sensationalistic, inaccurate reports. In addition, there have been several cases where law enforcement ran undercover ops at gun shows without proper authority to do so.

 

[jimmyraythomason]

Another reason is probably embarrassment: I rarely go to a big show here in KY where there isn't at least one collector of militaria who is displaying his prized Nazi flag or CSA battle standard. Taken out of context those items look really bad when pictured hanging above a table full of guns.

They don't look much better in context either. A gunshow is not a museum. It IS the wrong context.

Since military arms and memorabilia are a big part of gun shows (both selling and collecting),I think that is the perfect context for them.

 

[CZguy]

I hadn't been to a gun show in years. I went to one in Dec.2010. I won't be going to another one. Prices too high(i had sold a gun and had cash in my pocket), too many people, and now no pictures. Have fun in your world, cause I won't be there! Me and my money stay local.

But, but, where to you get your jerky?

 

[Dr.Rob]

Been the policy of EVERY show I've been to.

I wish it wasn't because plenty of times I've found something I've never seen before, or wondered at the value of.

Still, even if a specific vendor said, "Sure, take a pic." The show organizer has said NO. We both have to play by the organizers rules.

 

[mgmorden]

I wish it wasn't because plenty of times I've found something I've never seen before, or wondered at the value of.

Yep. Never on a gun, but on lots of things I've collaborated with friends on a purchase before making it. My boat for example. When I was deciding on it I was able to snap a picture, send it to my dad, and get his opinion before I made a purchase decision.

Realistically, in this day and age 95% of people have a camera in their pocket that can digital transmit pictures to anyone else in seconds. They have become accustomed to communicating with people they know remotely and with pictures as a big part of that. A "no photos" sign anywhere makes about as little sense as possible in this day and age.

 

[Cosmoline]

Since military arms and memorabilia are a big part of gun shows (both selling and collecting),I think that is the perfect context for them.

Exactly. At the main local show half the tables are military static displays so sure I take pictures. Some fellow had a hand-made 30mm single shot cannon, which immediately went on my digital camera's card in extreme detail.

I think the paranoia level is much higher at some gun shows than others.