Gun weirdness in media

[Speedo66]

Yeah, print media is just as bad.

How much research would it have taken for so many authors not to write about flicking off the safeties on revolvers or Glocks?

Sometimes I think they do it intentionally just to piss off people like us.

 

[CapnMac]

That kind of movie should, in my opinion, try not to be stupid.

Rather like recreating the Battle of Sterling Bridge and skipping over not merely the River Forth but also the namesake bridge?

Re-watched The Wild Geese the other day, and the weapons stuff was pretty good (other than it being obvious that none had actual recoil or made any noise). There is a notable gaffe in the first act where a clearly non-suppressed handgun has a very obviously silenced report.

 

[Leon tP]

There is a notable gaffe in the first act where a clearly non-suppressed handgun has a very obviously silenced report.

I seen numerous movies like that, some were just entertainment and others based on actual events.

The funniest ones usually show actors with suppressed M4s jetting out Huge CGI muzzle flames but sound like cute little bunny farts going on indoors. Somehow, I don't think so.
Sometimes, I believe the sound effects guy may have gotten confused during the redubbing process in the editing room because I've also seen unsuppressed guns suddenly sound suppressed for no reason.

 

[unspellable]

Not weird, but intentionally humorous. There is an old cartoon series in which Farbinny Foil, town constable, has a single shot revolver. Before you laugh too much, remember the Ruger 256 single shot.

 

[.308 Norma]

Not weird, but intentionally humorous.

Yeah, remember the "Clock Gun" in the movie "The Detectives" starring Tim Conway and Don Knotts? One of them had a pistol that went off every hour whether they wanted it to or not.

 

[halfmoonclip]

The main thing I see in John Wayne movies is that it is always John Wayne, you can't lose the actor in the character.
A lot of my friends play that game with any actor, "Oh, yeah, Joe Schmuck played John Hero in a show last year, too."

In The Greatest Story Ever Told, Wayne's character, as the Centurion on Calvary, sounds like, well, John Wayne. At least he doesn't refer to the crucified Savior as 'Pilgrim'.
Moon

 

[Old Dog]

The funniest ones usually show actors with suppressed M4s jetting out Huge CGI muzzle flames

CGI has killed the motion picture experience for me. Pretty much why I can't sit through the movies with the Marvel or DC "Universe" comic book characters. The last movie that actually used real stunts, Live Free or Die Hard, with that scene where Willis launches a car at a helicopter, was so well done and clearly not CGI. I get that CGI is way cheaper than working out stunts, especially involving motor vehicle, boats and aircraft, but it's killing movies in general.

CGI effects for depictions of firearms use and explosion suck.

In The Greatest Story Ever Told, Wayne's character, as the Centurion on Calvary, sounds like, well, John Wayne. At least he doesn't refer to the crucified Savior as 'Pilgrim'.
Moon

It's great that Wayne made True Grit and The Shootist, so he could leave the legacy of playing deeply flawed characters, demonstrating that he actually could act, and bring memorable characters to life.

I was watching a recent cop/thriller/action pic on one of the HBO channels late at night; while it was a decent, fairly gritty and (to me) fairly accurate depiction of some stuff cops deal with, the one major action scene with an intense shootout occurring in broad daylight had huge muzzle flashes -- I mean, major major sunbursts, like 3 or 4 feet in diameter -- from Glock pistols and one submachine gun. The only screenwriter/director/producer Hollywood should allow to film gun fight scenes is Michael Mann.

 

[UncleEd]

Yes, Michael Mann has always been tops.

 

[halfmoonclip]

It's great that Wayne made True Grit and The Shootist, so he could leave the legacy of playing deeply flawed characters, demonstrating that he actually could act, and bring memorable characters to life.

Amen, and yes...always felt those were a superb way to knock at heaven's door.
Still can't one hand a '92 like he did!
Kudos on Michael Mann for filming shootouts. Which reminds me, I have the Miami Vice collection. That show generally had good guns.
Moon

 

[Jim Watson]

Was The Wild Bunch the first to introduce slow motion shootouts?
Way overdone ever since.

 

[UncleEd]

Michael Mann's first feature length movie (meaning not TV)
was "Thief" starring James Caan. He sent Caan to Jeff
Cooper's Gunsite to learn the ins and outs of the 1911.

Throughout the film Caan's 1911s were always cocked
and locked. No hammer down, no cocking for dramatics.
When he pulled a piece, his right thumb was on the safety.

 

[KansasTrapper77]

One of my personal favorites an animated show called Archer. In general their firearm and weapons references are top notch such as calling out period correct guns and the number of rounds in said firearm which is reflected in shooting scenes. But! But. Every time they have a 1911 on screen the hammer is down as they shoot or after the Hollywood cocking sound. Every time.

 

[halfmoonclip]

One of my personal favorites an animated show called Archer. In general their firearm and weapons references are top notch such as calling out period correct guns and the number of rounds in said firearm which is reflected in shooting scenes. But! But. Every time they have a 1911 on screen the hammer is down as they shoot or after the Hollywood cocking sound. Every time.

A common mistake. I've seen it frequently with all sorts of exposed hammer autos, even in the middle of a shootout, that should leave the hammer cocked.
Steve McQueen, the king of cool, was seen carrying 'Condition 2', deftly uncocking the hammer of his 1911. He, at least, does it smoothly.
Moon

 

[GEM]

Anyone mention how the good guy has the bad guy at gun point and then racks his or her Glock for emphasis. Of course, the bad guy doesn't say: Oh, crap - I could have beat you up or run away? Hammer down 1911s also, all the time.

 

[CapnMac]

Hammer down 1911s also, all the time.

Easier to cast the rubber duckies that way, too

 

[CapnMac]

Was The Wild Bunch the first to introduce slow motion shootouts?

Possibly, Sam Pekinpah was very much "out front" on the "revisionist western" front, and embraced the then avant garde "ultra violence" esthetic then in vogue. The violence depicted was meant as 'social commentary" which was meant to be enhanced via the slo-mo. Part of it was technology allowing for 120 & 180 fpm 70mm cameras whic hcould render the slow motion in full cinemascope or cinerama formats for the big screen.