Gunbroker silliness

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Have you ever tried to search thru the various categories to narrow your search?
Apparently GB does not want it to be easy
Why you ask?
Under manufacturers you will find Smith and Wesson & Smith and Wesson/ S&W, Thompson Center & Thompson/Center, Ruger & Sturm, Ruger & Co., and Ariska & Arisaka among others.
Under calibers: 22 Mag, .22 Mag. & .22 WMR, .30-30 & .30-30 Win. and three flavors of .30-06

Make you wonder if the people running the site are actual gun owners.
 
Have you ever tried to search thru the various categories to narrow your search?
Apparently GB does not want it to be easy
Why you ask?
Under manufacturers you will find Smith and Wesson & Smith and Wesson/ S&W, Thompson Center & Thompson/Center, Ruger & Sturm, Ruger & Co., and Ariska & Arisaka among others.
Under calibers: 22 Mag, .22 Mag. & .22 WMR, .30-30 & .30-30 Win. and three flavors of .30-06

Make you wonder if the people running the site are actual gun owners.
You think they're the only ones? When was the last time you searched for a specific item on Amazon? You'll most likely find the item but there will be a hundred related items included in the search results. It's part of the site's indexing software.
 
It's about advertising featured firearms. They sprinkle other items within the search they think you "might" want to look at to get your intrest up. Like those chain stores (WM) resetting (moving around) their inventory. While searching you might find something else to add to your cart. I have searched for Ruger cylinders for example and various firearms and cleaning supplies out number all the actual cylinders of all makes listed. Why I have not used gunbroker for a looong time now.
 
It's about advertising featured firearms. They sprinkle other items within the search they think you "might" want to look at to get your intrest up. Like those chain stores (WM) resetting (moving around) their inventory. While searching you might find something else to add to your cart. I have searched for Ruger cylinders for example and various firearms and cleaning supplies out number all the actual cylinders of all makes listed. Why I have not used gunbroker for a looong time now.

Exactly. No matter how you craft your search both Gun Broker and Amazon (and who knows how many other sites) will stuff in things *they* want you to see to the point they far and away exceed the returns on items you're actually looking for. This really damages their value in my opinion.
 
I don't think that it is the users creating new categories.

IIRC - when you list, you can either choose one of their existing categories or choose "other"
Maybe they add a category if it shows up in "other" with any frequency
In any event it's frustrating
 
If you ever do a firearm search, the caliber choice of "Other .17" always has a few hits, even if the gun is some like a S&W Model 10. I am not sure if that is a software bug, or seller stupidity...
 
Many sellers put multiple things in titles to catch the eyes of buyers. I’ve seen things listed on GB when searching for grips that say:

Smith & Wesson K/L Frame Grips. Not Ruger, Colt, Rossi, Taurus, Kimber, Charter... especially if they also sell stuff for those brands.

So it’s a bit of algorithmic hocus-pocus and a bit of salesmanship sometimes.

Stay safe.
 
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Exactly. No matter how you craft your search both Gun Broker and Amazon (and who knows how many other sites) will stuff in things *they* want you to see to the point they far and away exceed the returns on items you're actually looking for. This really damages their value in my opinion.

Explains how I went on there looking for a Beretta APX in .40 S&W and ended up buying a 1911 match gun in .40 S&W...
 
Under calibers: 22 Mag, .22 Mag. & .22 WMR, .30-30 & .30-30 Win. and three flavors of .30-06
but no such search criteria exists for 38sw or 32 swl. It’s frustrating as can be. If you really want to muddy the water on Gunbroker try to filter down into gun parts kits. Under new management the site has gotten worse. I still use it as a price reference but even specifically looking for something it’s hard to dial it in.
 
GB is going to die of a death of user apathy due to not producing actual easy to use results on the particular item. I have over 300 transactions and none in the last ten years. Hardly ever go on there anymore for any reason. Spending time on the net should not end up in frustration for anyone. Just sayi'n.
 
Make you wonder if the people running the site are actual gun owners.
That’s just a good example of poor database design. What probably happened is the site WAS made by gun owners, but gun owners who didn’t know the first thing about structuring a database. They probably started out with a free text field for the value and then eventually took everything they had and converted it all into a drop down. By the time they figured out the problem, they didn’t have the time/skill/money (or desire) to fix it.

At this point, they’d need to make a mapping algorithm to catch all of the different variations of a category and map them under the same entry. This includes misspellings, extra spaces, “&”/“and”, etc. For example, for the correct entry “.308”, you’d need to capture every variation of

.308
308
.308 Win
308 Win
.308WIN
.308Win
.308 Winchester
(and misspellings)

then potentially add in the variations of 7.62x51 depending on your choice. Yes, technically they’re different, but does that level of granularity matter for the database / website when most people don’t understand or won’t care… the technically correct way would be to separate them in the database and then have the website show both, but again, more time and cost.

Given how big the site is now, they SHOULD be fixing this, but they may have other priorities. This kind of project would likely require several highly paid people multiple months (design, coding, different phases of testing, quality assurance, then a final go-live) so it’s not a trivial or inexpensive thing.
 
GB is going to die of a death of user apathy due to not producing actual easy to use results on the particular item. I have over 300 transactions and none in the last ten years. Hardly ever go on there anymore for any reason. Spending time on the net should not end up in frustration for anyone. Just sayi'n.

I gave up on it years ago for exactly those reasons.
 
A lot of it is listing errors in input. I'm sure you can find a Rugar, Kal-Tec, or High-Point every now and then. I've actually seen some attractive listings on eBay, for example, by using less-accurate search terms. Haven't tried it on GB, though, as my activity there is severely limited.
 
Ebay or Walmart, different engines different results. And if you change one category expect it to reset your display preferences about cheap to expensive or when it closes. Especially what local store you want to see in stock right effing now. You have to learn how to finesse things - I use a zip code different from my own to get the stores closest to me to actually display and still have to pay attention that one or the other may not stock it. Walmart isn't monolithic.

Ebay the same. "Dive watches", "Mens dive watches," "200m dive watches" will all deliver different results. There is a core group but the people listing them sometimes don't click a box or simply don't have a clue how 99% of the other owners list something. And the categories it searches will vary results. "Watches parts and pieces" gets you some, "WATCHES" does everything. Including a bunch of stuff you don't want. And worse, Auction, Make Offer, and "click to buy right now" won't pull up the same list.

If anything, I check the oddball stuff nudged into the corners of their online listings where the real gems are getting no attention and it's been relisted twice for lack fo traffic. Sellers sometimes bring this on themselves not knowing the merchandise descriptions, categories, or even the popular jargon. Some also have no concern for a quick sale, thinking that $100 more later is a real score. These are not the sellers who worry about the real economics, cost of money, etc. Some auction sites are now charging a relist fee, what I would like to see is a sliding scale, another 2% step up in fees every relist, to clear out the clutter of stupid listings where the owner has no incentive to actually move it. NOW. Like those $85,000 Rolex submariners, it's not realistic and in some cases it's not even a kosher sale of merchandise, there are other things going on.

It took a few hours of study on past sales to get an idea on what an S&W 4566 TSW might actually be closing at auction, not just getting relisted over and over. With that number in mind, and not overreaching by trying to bid on two at the same time (ooops) then you deal with the auction you have in hand and go from there. Sometimes, to the next one, and then the one after that. You might be dealing with people in high cost metros who don't even blink at another $100, latecomers to a fad, etc. And condition has a lot to do with it, yet, sometimes the seller simply does a bad job of presenting the product and you benefit. Sketchy photos and incomplete information can net some real savings. Don't tell them, but Citizen watches do not have a model number on them at all. Go ahead and list that string of numbers on the back of the cases, pls, it hides the listing where the public won't find it. Another hoop to jump thru - a BN0000-04H is numbered an E168-SO16525. You can google either and get there, on an auction site you could miss half of them. Nooks and crannies created by owners, not the algorithm. I have four Citizens each less than $100 yet BIN is often over $200.

BTW, DuckDuck uses Google, they just cut off all the data mining (I hope). I have found signicantly better results thru Google in some categories because it's not operating the same way, on the other hand, Google deliberately hides some results - you could have it pulled up in another window and they refuse to list it. Google works off paid elevation of a web site, and number of clicks, even if wrong. Others actually use a search algorithm they don't politicize and you can find answers.

One thing that has come up with sites is keeping it bookmarked and returning often, stock moves fast, and auctions elevate quickly. People handed cubic dollars tend to spend it. We will see continued inflation until folks pull back and realize that no, things aren't really the same, we need to dig in for the long haul. Discretionary spending won't be the same as it was in the past for some time.
 
Amazon has a horrible search engine. You can know an item exists in their inventory, even have seen it and copied the description, and yet if you paste that description into their search engine it won’t find it.

If the largest online retailer on the planet can’t get their search right then how can a (relatively) tiny niche site stand a chance?
 
Have you ever tried to search thru the various categories to narrow your search?
Apparently GB does not want it to be easy...<snip>
Make you wonder if the people running the site are actual gun owners.
This is a completely ridiculous assertion. I've completed several dozen transactions on GB (and as recently as a week ago) and I think I can speak from experience. I've never had a problem searching for auctions for a specific firearm. IMO you're speaking from a position of ignorance and inexperience. You simply don't know how to make best use of the platform.

You have to understand that search results depend on the item descriptions and indexing keywords supplied by the sellers so if their item is inappropriately described or titled it won't be turned up in a search unless you make allowances for common seller listing errors. Don't blame GB for that.

The owners of GB are the premium ammo manufacturing "Ammo Inc" (ticker POWW) so they definitely know guns. And for full disclosure, I'm a shareholder (and a happy one to boot) of the company.

So ...
Perhaps someone from GB reads this forum?
... in a sort of indirect way, you might say that's me.
 
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...FYI, I have used GB since Y2K and have bought and sold at least 300 guns & accessories.
OK, sorry, I made a hasty evaluation misjudgment, and I stand corrected wrt your credentials for your opinion. Apparently your experience with GB has been different from mine, and we can each speak only from individual experience. Next cold brewski is on me.
 
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