Gunman gunned down.

[General Geoff]

Actually, that makes sense. You have a basic right for self-defense and that should protected against the whims of someone who opens for business. Once you open to the public to walk in, your property rights are not absolute. You don't have to have a business.

Damn right. If 2A is a civil right, it ought to be codified and the Civil Rights Act amended to include gun carriers among those who cannot be discriminated against (within reason... maybe a prohibition on long guns or open carry in general would be permissible, as long as concealed carry is uninhibited)

 

[hso]

What a cop friend told me is that a concealed carry license holder stopped the murderer and put his lights out in the Safeway.

Nope

 

[armoredman]

On another forum I was told that the Safeway in question was posted No Guns. Eons ago here in Arizona Safeways were posted, but when CCW went into effect the sings came down, and nowadays, even after Constitutional Carry for over 12 years, it is still not terribly unusual to see someone open carrying in the grocery stores. AS usual, killers prefer victim empowerment zones for maximum carnage, and I think that one of the above posters may be correct - perhaps the unexpected resistance led the murdering scumbag to decide that his rampage might as well be over, in case some little old lady cuts him down with her hat pin. Better to go out in a "blaze of glory" then at the hands of a law abiding citizen,

 

[kwguy]

Common problem. Lots of people own guns. Lots of people living in states with Constitutional Carry. Lots of people people have carry permits. A significant portion of those people in those states are military trained or have been to defense classes. Yet strangely, getting people to carry their guns on a daily regular basis is amazingly hard. Sure, they will carry when going into a bad part of town or carry while traveling. They may carry, for a brief while, during some sort of local crime spree. However, getting them to carry on a daily basis is about like getting them to grow a third eye - not going to happen. Heck, I know cops that won't carry off duty (where allowed or encouraged) unless it is mandated as a condition of employment.

Yeah. They’re doing a risk assessment and playing the odds, which, in reality, are pretty low for having an armed confrontation, so I get that, but when that 1 in a million event happens, it’s better to be armed. It’s like a seatbelt. Chances are, someone won’t be involved in a car accident, but in that rare event it does happen, it’s good to have it on.

 

[Insignificant bill]

Thats why ignoring those signs has worked well for some.

 

[MikeInOr]

Or is MikeInOr's cop friend mistaken.?

Terry, 230RN

Yes, he was mistaken! I texted him the night of the incident and he gave me the run down as he understood it at the time. Later details came out with information showing he was mistaken.

 

[plainsdrifter]

Not every shooter/mass murderer has mental health issues. Many are just aholes.
Others are pissed at someone that works at the place of the incident ie cheating wife/wifes lover etc.
Many shooters would like you to think they have mental health issues so they get off without the death penalty.
The majority of people with mental health issues are non-violent.

 

[DMW1116]

So what did happen? Minor resistance resulted in self destruct sequence immediately?

 

[The Glockodile]

Not every shooter/mass murderer has mental health issues. Many are just aholes.

The majority of people with mental health issues are non-violent.

Shh!

Remember our "narrative!"

Don't pee into our favorite cop - out!

 

[uuolf]

Yeah. They’re doing a risk assessment and playing the odds, which, in reality, are pretty low for having an armed confrontation, so I get that, but when that 1 in a million event happens, it’s better to be armed. It’s like a seatbelt. Chances are, someone won’t be involved in a car accident, but in that rare event it does happen, it’s good to have it on.

I'm might as well not wear a seatbelt today... I know the future and I'm not going to be in an accident... bwahaha... Belt and carry always... nobody knows when it will happen

 

[ShootMeStraight]

I live in Canada. In May 2020 the government banned all AR-15 style firearms and all rifles with a muzzle velocity higher than 338 Lapua. In August 2022 they banned the import of handguns and in the fall will pass a bill that prevents Canadians from transferring handgun ownership to anyone else. I will no longer be able to buy any more handguns and when I die all my handguns will be confiscated by the government, I can't even leave them for my children. Justin Trudeau is a tyrant.

 

[rust collector]

I am sorry to hear that things are looking grim in Canada, but each of these draconian measures increases pressure for change. In the states, we have the big metro areas attempting to deal with major crimes and concluding that they are smarter than their country cousins. Up there, the same process is happening on a far larger scale. We need to hang together or we shall all hang separately. The pendulum swings both ways.

 

[ShootMeStraight]

I am sorry to hear that things are looking grim in Canada, but each of these draconian measures increases pressure for change. In the states, we have the big metro areas attempting to deal with major crimes and concluding that they are smarter than their country cousins. Up there, the same process is happening on a far larger scale. We need to hang together or we shall all hang separately. The pendulum swings both ways.

We already had extremely strict handguns laws in Canada. You have to have a Restricted Firearms licence in Canada to buy a handgun and every handgun purchased is registered to you with the federal government. All the crime guns in Canada are smuggled in from the USA. These new laws will do nothing to stop gun crime in Canada. Trudeau and Biden are one in the same…

 

[Insignificant bill]

We already had extremely strict handguns laws in Canada. You have to have a Restricted Firearms licence in Canada to buy a handgun and every handgun purchased is registered to you with the federal government. All the crime guns in Canada are smuggled in from the USA. These new laws will do nothing to stop gun crime in Canada. Trudeau and Biden are one in the same…

Sad it's about control of the citizens

 

[Double Naught Spy]

All the crime guns in Canada are smuggled in from the USA.

The sad thing absolutist or all inclusive statements is that they are commonly untrue. No, not all the crime guns in Canada are smuggled in from the United States, LOL. Yes, that is a big problem for Canada, but it is not the totality of the illegal gun problem.

First, even if this was true, this is a simply unknowable bit of information at this point because Canada has no universal laws requiring this information be traced and it is not required in every province.
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-002-x/2022001/article/00009-eng.htm

Second, it takes only one example to invalidate. There are many more than just one, however.
The majority of the illegal guns in Canada used to be smuggled across the border from the U.S., but that seems to be changing. According to police, a growing number of guns are bought legally in Canada and resold on the black market, or made here illegally.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/national-gun-trafficking-straw-buying-smuggling-firearms-1.5126228