bang_bang
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That's what I thought.
Anyone hear if the media called it an "assault weapon?"
Gunman kills 6 in nursing home
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That's what I thought.
Anyone hear if the media called it an "assault weapon?"
Lou McGopher
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Just google "nurse kills patient," and you'll see we've more to fear from the people employed by the hospital/nursing home killing patients than from gun-wielding sociopaths killing patients.
Officers'Wife
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A man shooting nursing home residents because of a break up with his girlfriend. A man stabbing his sisters for God only knows what reason. Sometimes I wonder if having a television is a good thing or not.
shooter429
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The boob tube
Its not called that because of topless women. Everybody knows the Internet is the place to enhance one's intellect
Shooter429
Its not called that because of topless women. Everybody knows the Internet is the place to enhance one's intellect
Shooter429
Yellowfin
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My wife works with the elderly and as soon as we possibly can we'll be getting a nice carry gun for her and CCW when we move to a place where she can.
mesinge2
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Unbelieveable. A nursing home. Even if it was a fight with his girlfriend why shoot others at all? I swear I can't understand these people.
KevinAbbeyTech
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Wow, that is awful.
A Moslem man killed his two daughters because they wouldn't wear head scarves. One report, then squelched. Another Moslem man killed his wife because she didn't do him enough honor. One report, then squelched. A third Moslem man killed his daughter because she didn't come home on time. One report, then squelched.
No bias in the media, folks. Or maybe plain old fear of people who show their displeasure with reporters by cutting their throats.
Jim
No bias in the media, folks. Or maybe plain old fear of people who show their displeasure with reporters by cutting their throats.
Jim
kwelz
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Funny Jim I heard those stories all over the news for days. Plus 8 people is a lot more newsworthy than one or two.
alelks
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Here's today's NC Grass Roots Email I just received:
Grass Roots North Carolina, P.O. Box 10684, Raleigh, NC 27605
919-664-8565, www.grnc.org, GRNC Alert Hotline: (919) 562-4137
GRNC Alert 03-30-09:
Pinelake Health and Rehab: More killings in 'gun free' zones
Worth noting is a quote from Carthage Police Chief Chris McKenzie since the following piece was written. McKenzie said, "A lot more lives would have been lost, I honestly feel, had he not done what he did. For certain." Just imagine how many more lives would have been saved had other trained citizens had the option of being armed there.
From Paul Valone's Charlotte Gun Examiner column:
http://www.examiner.com/x-2698-Char...lth-and-Rehab-More-killings-in-gun-free-zones
On Sunday morning, gunman Robert Stewart barged into Pinelake Health and Rehab in Carthage, North Carolina, and killed seven patients and a nurse, wounding three others. As in previous massacres, the killer picked a so-called "gun free" zone where firearms are officially prohibited. According to an employee of Peak Resources Incorporated, which operates Pinelake and five other health care facilities, all of their facilities are posted against concealed weapons.
As in numerous other rampages, Stewart was stopped after he was shot by an armed individual, in this case 25-year-old Carthage police officer Justin Garner, who was himself among the wounded.
And as in other cases, authorities were promptly alerted when Pinelake resident Ellery Chishole first called her 14-year-old granddaughter but despite arriving in less than ten minutes, were unable to stop the shooter from killing seven people in moments.
Unclear is whether Stewart had any connection to the 90-bed nursing home, leading some to suggest he may have picked it because concealed handgun permit-holders are prohibited from carrying firearms for self-protection. Associated Press accounts say his estranged wife may work there, but ex-wife Sue Griffin said she had no idea whether her ex-husband was somehow connected to the nursing home or why he would shoot people there, further noting: "He did have some violent tendencies from time to time. I wouldn't put it past him. I hate to say it, but it is true."
Due largely to the efforts of nascent gun rights organization Grass Roots North Carolina (GRNC), the state passed a concealed handgun law in 1995 to allow citizens who have undergone background checks and training to protect themselves and their families against exactly such predations. However, Mecklenburg County Senator "Fountain" Odom chaired a subcommittee which weakened the legislation by amending it to include numerous places where concealed handguns are prohibited, including restaurants with on-premises alcohol consumption permits and some public parks.
Although health care facilities are not officially prohibited from allowing concealed handguns, among the weakening amendments that became law is G.S. 14-415.11(c), under which guns are prohibited "where notice that carrying a concealed handgun is prohibited by the posting of a conspicuous notice or statement by the person in legal possession or control of the premises." Because owners of private property, including merchants, could already legally prohibit concealed handguns, the measure was intended to encourage posting.
When then-Governor Jim Hunt arranged for the "Governor's Crime Commission" to distribute thousands of signs posting against concealed carry, GRNC responded by creating a "Don't Buy List" of posted merchants, with instructions for supporters of the law to contact them.
Faced with an organized boycott, hundreds of posted merchants, including Lowes Home Improvement Centers, Wilco convenience stores, West Marine outlets and posted WalMart stores removed "no concealed carry" signs.
Businesses which were less vulnerable to the boycott, however, refused to remove signs. Among the facilities commonly posted in the state today are shopping malls and health care facilities like Pinelake.
In a controlled study covering 19 years, researcher John R. Lott found that the number of multiple-victim public shootings in states which adopted concealed handgun laws declined by 84%. Deaths from these shootings plummeted on average by 90%, injuries by 82%. Higher arrest rates and increased use of the death penalty slightly reduced the incidence of these events, but the effects were never statistically significant.
Until Sunday, North Carolina had not experienced a single multiple victim public homicide such as recently occurred in Alabama and Germany, suggesting that the state's concealed handgun law may have deterred such homicides. Significantly, the lone massacre has now occurred in one of the relatively few places where concealed handguns are commonly prohibited.
While sound arguments could be made for prohibiting firearms in nursing homes and hospitals by patients who may not be able to retain control of them, staff and visitors who have cleared the hurdles to obtain concealed handgun permits could not only deter future tragedies, but could respond in minutes or even seconds, potentially saving scores of lives.
IMMEDIATE ACTION REQUIRED
* Read Paul Valone's Examiner piece and be sure to Digg it while you are there:
http://www.examiner.com/x-2698-Char...lth-and-Rehab-More-killings-in-gun-free-zones
* Watch the News 14 interview: http://news14.com//Default.aspx?ArID=607069
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You may find your NC representative by going here:
http://www.grnc.org/contact_reps.htm
You may write your federal congressman by going here:
http://www.house.gov/writerep/
You may write your FEDERAL senators by going here:
http://www.senate.gov/
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Support these PRO RKBA merchants who, as GRNC sponsors, are supporting your Second Amendment rights:
Hyatt Coin & Gun Shop, 3332 Wilkinson Blvd., Charlotte, NC 28208, 704-663-5656, www.hyattguns.com
Duncan Gun & Pawn, 414 Second St., North Wilkesboro, NC 28659, 336-667-6303, www.duncangun.com
Shooter's Express, 2 Caldwell Dr., Belmont, NC 28012, 800-358-GUNS, www.shootersexpress.com
The Aisle Pawn Shop, 216 N. Main St., Mooresville, NC 28115, 704-663-5656
Gunner's Alley, LLC, 203 N. Harrison Ave., Ste. 130, Cary, NC 27513, www.gunnersalley.com, 919-388-1991, contact: Ed Guerriero, [email protected]
C & E Gun Shows, 4225 Fortress Drive, Blacksburg, VA 24060; Phone 540-953-0016 or 888-715-0606; http://www.cegunshows.com/
Grass Roots North Carolina, P.O. Box 10684, Raleigh, NC 27605
919-664-8565, www.grnc.org, GRNC Alert Hotline: (919) 562-4137
GRNC Alert 03-30-09:
Pinelake Health and Rehab: More killings in 'gun free' zones
Worth noting is a quote from Carthage Police Chief Chris McKenzie since the following piece was written. McKenzie said, "A lot more lives would have been lost, I honestly feel, had he not done what he did. For certain." Just imagine how many more lives would have been saved had other trained citizens had the option of being armed there.
From Paul Valone's Charlotte Gun Examiner column:
http://www.examiner.com/x-2698-Char...lth-and-Rehab-More-killings-in-gun-free-zones
On Sunday morning, gunman Robert Stewart barged into Pinelake Health and Rehab in Carthage, North Carolina, and killed seven patients and a nurse, wounding three others. As in previous massacres, the killer picked a so-called "gun free" zone where firearms are officially prohibited. According to an employee of Peak Resources Incorporated, which operates Pinelake and five other health care facilities, all of their facilities are posted against concealed weapons.
As in numerous other rampages, Stewart was stopped after he was shot by an armed individual, in this case 25-year-old Carthage police officer Justin Garner, who was himself among the wounded.
And as in other cases, authorities were promptly alerted when Pinelake resident Ellery Chishole first called her 14-year-old granddaughter but despite arriving in less than ten minutes, were unable to stop the shooter from killing seven people in moments.
Unclear is whether Stewart had any connection to the 90-bed nursing home, leading some to suggest he may have picked it because concealed handgun permit-holders are prohibited from carrying firearms for self-protection. Associated Press accounts say his estranged wife may work there, but ex-wife Sue Griffin said she had no idea whether her ex-husband was somehow connected to the nursing home or why he would shoot people there, further noting: "He did have some violent tendencies from time to time. I wouldn't put it past him. I hate to say it, but it is true."
Due largely to the efforts of nascent gun rights organization Grass Roots North Carolina (GRNC), the state passed a concealed handgun law in 1995 to allow citizens who have undergone background checks and training to protect themselves and their families against exactly such predations. However, Mecklenburg County Senator "Fountain" Odom chaired a subcommittee which weakened the legislation by amending it to include numerous places where concealed handguns are prohibited, including restaurants with on-premises alcohol consumption permits and some public parks.
Although health care facilities are not officially prohibited from allowing concealed handguns, among the weakening amendments that became law is G.S. 14-415.11(c), under which guns are prohibited "where notice that carrying a concealed handgun is prohibited by the posting of a conspicuous notice or statement by the person in legal possession or control of the premises." Because owners of private property, including merchants, could already legally prohibit concealed handguns, the measure was intended to encourage posting.
When then-Governor Jim Hunt arranged for the "Governor's Crime Commission" to distribute thousands of signs posting against concealed carry, GRNC responded by creating a "Don't Buy List" of posted merchants, with instructions for supporters of the law to contact them.
Faced with an organized boycott, hundreds of posted merchants, including Lowes Home Improvement Centers, Wilco convenience stores, West Marine outlets and posted WalMart stores removed "no concealed carry" signs.
Businesses which were less vulnerable to the boycott, however, refused to remove signs. Among the facilities commonly posted in the state today are shopping malls and health care facilities like Pinelake.
In a controlled study covering 19 years, researcher John R. Lott found that the number of multiple-victim public shootings in states which adopted concealed handgun laws declined by 84%. Deaths from these shootings plummeted on average by 90%, injuries by 82%. Higher arrest rates and increased use of the death penalty slightly reduced the incidence of these events, but the effects were never statistically significant.
Until Sunday, North Carolina had not experienced a single multiple victim public homicide such as recently occurred in Alabama and Germany, suggesting that the state's concealed handgun law may have deterred such homicides. Significantly, the lone massacre has now occurred in one of the relatively few places where concealed handguns are commonly prohibited.
While sound arguments could be made for prohibiting firearms in nursing homes and hospitals by patients who may not be able to retain control of them, staff and visitors who have cleared the hurdles to obtain concealed handgun permits could not only deter future tragedies, but could respond in minutes or even seconds, potentially saving scores of lives.
IMMEDIATE ACTION REQUIRED
* Read Paul Valone's Examiner piece and be sure to Digg it while you are there:
http://www.examiner.com/x-2698-Char...lth-and-Rehab-More-killings-in-gun-free-zones
* Watch the News 14 interview: http://news14.com//Default.aspx?ArID=607069
----------------------
You may find your NC representative by going here:
http://www.grnc.org/contact_reps.htm
You may write your federal congressman by going here:
http://www.house.gov/writerep/
You may write your FEDERAL senators by going here:
http://www.senate.gov/
-------------------
Support these PRO RKBA merchants who, as GRNC sponsors, are supporting your Second Amendment rights:
Hyatt Coin & Gun Shop, 3332 Wilkinson Blvd., Charlotte, NC 28208, 704-663-5656, www.hyattguns.com
Duncan Gun & Pawn, 414 Second St., North Wilkesboro, NC 28659, 336-667-6303, www.duncangun.com
Shooter's Express, 2 Caldwell Dr., Belmont, NC 28012, 800-358-GUNS, www.shootersexpress.com
The Aisle Pawn Shop, 216 N. Main St., Mooresville, NC 28115, 704-663-5656
Gunner's Alley, LLC, 203 N. Harrison Ave., Ste. 130, Cary, NC 27513, www.gunnersalley.com, 919-388-1991, contact: Ed Guerriero, [email protected]
C & E Gun Shows, 4225 Fortress Drive, Blacksburg, VA 24060; Phone 540-953-0016 or 888-715-0606; http://www.cegunshows.com/
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