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Guns and college

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Tarwater, Jun 17, 2006.

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  1. Tarwater

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    I'm now the proud owner of a Taurus 24/7 .45acp (thanks for all the suggestions on my previous thread). Problem, though, is that I'm transferring to the University of West Georgia this fall and I'm going to be living on campus. Am I going to have to leave it home? I much doubt they'd let me have it in my dorm room, but what about the glove box of my car? I'd like to be able to have some range time while I'm away at school, as well as have the thing around, you know, in case the mutant communist zombie bears attack while I'm on campus. Any help/information would be greatly appreciated.
     
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    Check with campus police, they may require on-campus residents to store firearms in thier office. Or you could lock them up with a friend who lives in off-campus housing. Get used to cleaning your guns at the range, or at a buddy's place.
     
  4. Zen21Tao

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    Here at UF it is against the law for students have guns on campus, even in their dorm rooms (I am glad I live off campus). Students that do own guns and live on campus have basically two options, either store the gun at the house/apartment of a friend that lives off campus or store it with the University Police. The biggest hassle with the latter option is having to check the gun in and out every time you want to use it. This may be a hassle but it is still better than having to leave it with parents out of town. If I were you I would call your university's police dept/security department and ask them what their policy is about keeping firearms on campus.
     
  5. AJAX22

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    I agree on asking the police, I had a shotgun in the dorms a few years ago, there was a rule about no ammunition, but no prohibition against firearms. Check with the officers, they should have all the info you need. But make really sure that you lock it up tight and do NOT show it to anyone. you never know who all has the key to your room, and guns is mighty temptin.
     
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    CCW on campus

    We went through a battle here in Utah a couple of years ago, The University of Utah was refusing to honor permits issued by the state, even though they are a state institution. They argued that they have a degree of philosophical and intellectual discretion that gives them the right to follow camus policy rather than state law.

    Our courts disagreed, and they were required to conform.

    The funny part is, it only applied to students and faculty, NOT citizens who happened to be on campus for other business. They can hold campus policy over campus members, but not the public in general.
     
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    Make friends with someone who lives off-campus. You'd be surprised how easily a K-31, a Mosin-Nagant M44, a Mossberg 590, and a Turkish Mauser fit behind a TV stand. :scrutiny: ;)
     
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    I have a similar problem. I have 2 shotguns and am working on getting my first handgun but I am a Resident Assistant in a dorm at my university so I can't have them in the dorm. A friend of mine keeps them at his apartment for me. Someone else suggested making friends with someone who lives off campus. I think that would probably be your best solution. Though failing all else you could try the trunk or glove box of your car.
     
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    I know it's illegal to have/carry a loaded firearm on a college campus here in Georgia but as far as storing it I don't know. I lived in the dorms at Georgia Tech many moons ago and I kept an old Colt Police Positive. I never showed it to anyone or told anyone about it. In the dorm rules I was given there was nothing about firearms in it.

    Check the university policy and see if it is written somewhere that you can't have a firearm. Check your dorm agreement and see what it says. I remember mine was mostly about making noise and generally nusiances.

    I know that every so often the room was sprayed for bugs and stuff but as far as I know no one ever looked through my stuff or stole anything. I kept mine in the pocket of an overcoat that I never wore.

    I can't over emphasise not telling anyone if you decide to go this route.
     
  11. mp510

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    http://www.westga.edu/~reslife/handbook/index.html


    http://www.bf.westga.edu/Pubsafe/Crime/daw.asp
     
  12. 22-rimfire

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    That is a VERY restrictive University policy. The policy does not include "intent to go armed" but deals with the object specifically. It would include most pocket knives as well, even a large SAK. Sounds like a good reason to live off campus. Your choice.
     
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    Well, I guess I'm lucky I never got caught, Pretty stiff penalties. Maybe you could rent a safe deposit box at a local bank. Good luck to you.
     
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    Living off campus is a good route to go, however if it's your first year I'd recommend living in the dorms. I may or may not have had a handgun while I was living on campus back in college :evil:
    Like others have said, don't tell anyone or show anyone if you go that route. A guy that lived on my floor had a Colt Anaconda in .44 mag that he liked to show off and tell others about. He was booted out of the University when the RA found out. Last I heard of him was that someone saw him hitchhiking his way South.
     
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    It could real risky trying to hide it in a dorm. If you don't go the route of storing at your UPD there is always the option of getting a lock box and bolting it to the inside of your car trunk. Here at UF it is illegal to even store a gun even in your vehicle so I can't say that I suggest in vehicle storage but it is always an option.
     
  16. mp510

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    Zen21,
    I sent an email over to their Public Safety Dept. (in charge of policing), to find out about the vehicle storage legality. I asked in a very technical and hypothetical manner, and hope to get a response next week. I'll post the reply:)
     
  17. Tarwater

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    Dude, I can't believe you'd go out of your way like that to answer my question. I really appreciate the replies, I'm way too backwards to ask the cops myself :D
     
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    It's nothing more than couple minutes of page loading and typing. :)
     
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    I sent the following:
     
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    mp510 --

    Well done, Sir! You blind-sided the campus cops. The chief's reply, translated as well as I can manage, seems to say in essence, "Good question. I don't know the answer. Thank you for writing. Have a nice day."

    Ain't it awful when a university can't answer a simple question in plain English?
     
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    Wow, what an email response. Is it just me or did I miss the entire part where he actually answered your question? He seems to just be side stepping the issue implying it would be illegal without actually coming out and saying it is. It is also funny that he says there are exceptions to the "no guns on campus" law but doesn't elaberate on what these exceptions are.

    Let me just tackle one of this Chief's responses

    This is completely wrong. One's vehicle has been upheld many times as being "an extention of one's home" in the regard that one's vehicle is 'just as' protected as one's home.

    In regards to the warrentless searches, to conduct a warrentless search one needs either permission to search or probable cause. It is generally easier to get permission from someone to search a vehicle then to get a "sure come on in and search my house" response.

    Also, there are far more traffic stops made where the officer looks in the vehicle's window than police officers responding to homes where a warrentless search may be an option. Based on the base rate numbers alone more warrentless vehicular searches are probable than warrentless home searches.

    Also, it is much easier to get probable cause to conduct a search of a vehicle than a house. Generally odorous substances are easier to detect through an open car window of an occupied car than from a room near the back of someone's home. Also, probable cause is obtained by observing something illegal in plain sight. There is much more "plain sight" available when looking in the windows of a vehicle as opposed to a home that has its shades pulled.

    Again, warrentless searches are easier to justify for a vehicle than they are for a home and are far more likely for a vehicle in comparison to a home. This doesn't make the car any less protected.

    Personally I think if you had a handgun locked up in a bolted down lock box in your vehicle you would have a very good chance of beating a "no guns on campus" law. One could argue that if one lives on campus a "no guns are allowed on campus" law would completely elimanate your ability to keep and bare any firearm and would thus amount to a complete firearms ban that violates the 2nd Amendment. I would cite the recent overturning of the San Francisco "no guns in the city" ban.
     
  22. Manedwolf

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    If you live in dorms and guns are allowed, go to Target and get the $79 Sentry "Dorm Safe" that comes with a cable that can be locked around a solid object. The reason you have it, if anyone asks, is to keep important papers or money safe.

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    Whether they're allowed or not, if you just "hide" it in your room and a criminal steals it, dorms not being at all secure, it's still your fault for not securing it properly in an insecure enviroment. Roomies, roomies' friends, their friends, friends of friends, the RA, the cleaning staff, the maintainence people...too many people have access to a dorm room to just "hide" it.
     
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    I've been in two universities and both stuck to the "You don’t tell, We wont ask" philosophy pretty well. When I called and asked about storing my shotgun my paraphrased response was, throw it in your truck, less paperwork for us.


    Don’t forget, most dorms have locks that are 30 years old, I could get into to every room on my floor with a card, a screw driver, a paperclip, OR some doors a jerk towards the hinges. All except for mine and my RA's, after I showed him, maintenance came and changes his lock and I made them change my lock too.
     
  24. cropcirclewalker

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    I could be wrong, but it seems to me like keeping your shootin' iron at a friends house could be considered a "transfer".

    Some states like Missouri have laws about that. Here in MO we cannot lawfully transfer a concealable firearm to another unless the transferee provides the transferor a "Permit To Acquire" which must be purchased at the local sheriff store for a maximum of 10 bux and a background check.

    YMMV
     
  25. HankB

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    A few thoughts . . .

    1. By asking the authorities and identifying yourself, you've put yourself on the radar. They may decide to keep an extra eye on you.

    2. IMHO what the actual law says is important. Note that rules made by bureaucrats are not the same as laws.

    3. I'd never advocate someone break a law in an open forum. But I've never been a sticker for abiding by mere rules myself. I'm aware of several cases in which a female college student chose to break the college's rules . . . in one instance, it was much to the dismay of a would-be rapist or purse snatcher who I understand may have set a new land speed record during his retreat. :cool:

    Note that A wise man will be discrete if he chooses to break rules.
     
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