H&k 91

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Dear THR:
What is the best scope for H&K 91 that compliment the full potential of the 308 rounds?

Does anyone else have proper eye relief problem using H&K 91?

Thank you
 
Hensholdt 4x

I have been well pleased with the 4x Hensholdt scope you can buy as surplus. Fero 24 I think it is called. Clear optics and not too much magnification.
 
A scope would not be in keeping with my compact theme on my 91.

I had it scoped back in the early 1980s but found it sat so high I could not use it with the issue stock. The rifle was stolen in 1985 and I sold all the accessories including the H&K mount and then 17 years later the cops recovered it. If I had known I would have hung on to the equipment.


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How are the 91s for accuracy with good reloads?
I've heard that these rifles "eat brass" or are hard on the casings, during ejection.

I would consider purchasing one of these rifles, but I don't know much about them.

Bowhunter57
 
Accuracy is good on those I've shot. The bolt don't stay open on after last round. May or may not be an issue for you. As much as I like the 91, I really like firing the 53 (or 93 clone).

They do eat brass so not ideal for the reloader. The upside is that they will fire just about anything I've ever tried without hiccups including steel cases.
 
I used either a Leupold 1.5x5, or a Beeman SS-3 1.5x4, which was my favorite, both on a ARMS claw mount.

The Beeman was my favorite. For its size, its one hell of a scope. It was small enough that both it and the claw mount would fit in a field jacket, or BDU pocket without any troubles.

This is the Beeman on my MP5. It was mounted more centered on the mount for the 91's. The mounting locations on the receiver are different, with the MP5's being more forward.

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Using the ARMS mount with either scope, I never had any issue with getting a good, natural cheek weld with the fixed A2 stock. All you have to do is just move your head up the little ramp slightly to get a proper weld.

For me, the German mounts put the scope way to high, and to far to the rear for comfortable, natural shooting. It must be a German thing, as all their mounts seem to be set up this way. The ARMS mount gives you a lot more versatility in how and what you mount. Its also about half of what a commercial HK mount costs.

Eye relief for me, is with the scope right over the rear sight. Its the same with things like the AR, and a few others. It helps keep things the same as far as shouldering and cheek weld.

How are the 91s for accuracy with good reloads?
I've heard that these rifles "eat brass" or are hard on the casings, during ejection.
Accuracy with both of mine equaled or exceeded my standard M1A's, shooting both GI and reloads.

If you reload, you want a port buffer. It clips to the receiver at the ejection port, and keeps the brass form impacting the rear edge of the port and deflects the brass more forward.

With a buffer, brass is easily reloaded. I usually only got around 6 reloads from the 91's though, compared to around 10 for the M1A's (assuming the case mouths held up). I think its just the nature of the best with the 91's system.

Contrary to what you often hear, the flutes dont bother the brass, and once tumbled, the scratches left on the brass are usually barely noticeable.


The HK 90 series are great rifles. They were basically the originators of the modular systems so popular today. Their slings basically started that whole sub system. Their iron sights are the best "combat" iron sight going. Their claw mounts really started that whole sub system.
 
They can be accurate, but the triggers are terrible. A very reliable rifle, but one of the closest things to a true "throw away" as you can get. With cheap surplus mags going for little as $1, you can toss the empty ones overboard when finished. The A3 stock while compact, is uncomfortable on the shoulder and face. For accuracy stick with the A2. But they are a lot of fun; just make sure that when firing from inside a car door, the window is rolled up first!
 
but the triggers are terrible.
You hear this all the time. I think its more of an American thing than anything else. Once you get used to shooting them, they are as easy to shoot with as anything else.

Willams (http://www.williamstriggers.com/) does trigger jobs on them that bring them more into line with what most are used to. My buddy had one of his done, and it was very much like a match or target trigger.

Personally, I say spend a little time and learn the stock one, and youll be a lot farther ahead. Like factory DA triggers on handguns, if you can shoot them, you can shoot pretty much anything without issue. In fact, if youre a DA shooter already, the HK's trigger wont seem that strange at all.
 
That's a pretty open ended question. How much are you looking to spend? What range are you shooting at? Are you also shooting at close range? The .308 can do a great many things between 0 and 1000 yards depending on what you want to do.

As others have said because of the rear sight barrel scopes have to be mounted pretty high. This means you need some sort of cheek piece on the stock and the rifle will end up kind of top heavy. The claw mount is not the only way to mount them either - I had good luck with the MFI low mount rail.
 
Eats brass? Mr. Fox look to the brass,,LOL.

This CAVIM has ten reloads on it.

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CAVIM seems to be good stuff. I use a small base die for sizing, and the striations on the cases from the fluted chamber are very faint. If you fire them in a bolt gun later, they still work just fine. I always trim to minimum length before firing in another chamber.
 
+1 on MFI low-profile rail.

+1 on ejection port buffer.

Long scopes generate eye relief issues if you want them to clear the cocking lever in the locked position.

Magpul PRS is brilliant.

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I think the factory set up was a claw mount with a fixed 4 or 6x.

I've also seen a Schmidt & Bender 1-6 variable.
 
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