H.R. 1022 - AWB II - What is in it? - Updated 2/23 on Page 6

[SWMAN]

My $.02. I thought that the 2A was clear enough to both collective and individual rights groups that outright bans on arms was unconstitutional. That weapons could be regulated and the regulations made so complicated and buracratic as to, in practice ban people from obtaining them, like in New York City and State.

I think this bill isn't a test, its for real. I also think it will pass the House and at the Senate is where it may get bogged down. If passed there, not having much faith in Bush anymore, I think he'd offer it up in the false hope that the Dems would make some part of his surge easier to do if he signs the bill into law.:banghead:

If, by some miracle it dies, it'll likely get introduced in 2008 or 2009 with a likely antigun President in the WH.

This is just the start of a looong war or series of battles ahead of us.

 

[blue06van]

Best return form Letter

This is the best return letter I recieved yet.

Dear Mr. :

Thank you for contacting me about federal firearms laws. I appreciate having the benefit of your comments on this matter.

It is essential to safeguard the law-abiding citizen's right to own and use firearms designed for legitimate purposes such as hunting, target shooting, collecting, and self protection. Restricting this right runs counter to the intent of our Founding Fathers, who expressly guaranteed that citizens would retain the right to keep and bear arms.

As a former Texas Supreme Court Justice and Attorney General, I have firsthand knowledge of crime-fighting policies that work, and I believe that citizens' Second Amendment rights should not be restricted because of the actions of criminals. Rather, we must respect the rights of law-abiding citizens and focus our attention on the source of violent crime: criminals who use firearms to commit crimes. I believe that strictly enforcing the law and meting out longer sentences for career criminals and those who use firearms when committing crimes will reduce crime much more effectively than gun or equipment bans.

I appreciate the opportunity to represent Texans in the United States Senate, and you may be certain that I will continue working with my colleagues to uphold our Second Amendment rights. Thank you for taking the time to contact me.

Sincerely,

JOHN CORNYN
United States Senator

 

[Glockfan.45]

Blue06van your letter rocks. Why can they all be that way?

 

[kcmarine]

My first post... hoped it didn't have to be on a subject like this.

Yeah, I'm new.

Strange. I was doing a research paper for CLA10 on why "assault weapons" should not be banned when about 7 days into the assignment, this piece of crap popped up. Man, Canada is looking better everyday. What happened to my country? Why does my government consider me to be both an idiot and not worthy of trust? I'm gonna turn 16 in May, and in May 2009, I'll have to sign up for the Selective (by gender) Service. Supposedly, this organization was set up so in times of war, our military could have enough men to fight for the freedoms we enjoy. If this bill passes, I'll be asking myself what freedoms, if any, are there left for me to fight for.

 

[Lobotomy Boy]

Kcmarine, I don't think you'll find Canada to your liking. Near as I can tell, this is still the best country in the world by a long shot. We may sound angry, and sometimes we are, but mostly we are just trying to do the hard work of preserving the freedoms that make this the best country.

 

[kcmarine]

You may be right about Canada. However, you guys grew up in a different world than I am growing up in right now. My generation has to put up with a school system that is PC to the max. You didn't have the school regulating what you ate at lunch. Students are denied due process. If someone decides to beat up a student in the halls, the victim has no ability to fight back. You're expected to sit there as you get beat up, and if you throw a punch, you can be referred to the police.

It's not so much that these regulations are themselves rediculous, but instead that many of my fellow students today don't realize how rediculous they are. They're too busy watching American Idol. When they are faced with real restrictions on their rights, they won't care. They will have been conditioned to not notice it.

I know I sound a bit uptight for a 15 year old, but look at things from my perspective.

 

[grimjaw]

Have your elected representatives responded to your concerns about HR1022? I got a prompt letter back from my Rep ("Doc" Hastings, SE WA state), which I'll post a copy of if anyone is interested.

jm

 

[SoCalShooter]

You may be right about Canada. However, you guys grew up in a different world than I am growing up in right now. My generation has to put up with a school system that is PC to the max. You didn't have the school regulating what you ate at lunch. Students are denied due process. If someone decides to beat up a student in the halls, the victim has no ability to fight back. You're expected to sit there as you get beat up, and if you throw a punch, you can be referred to the police.

It's not so much that these regulations are themselves rediculous, but instead that many of my fellow students today don't realize how rediculous they are. They're too busy watching American Idol. When they are faced with real restrictions on their rights, they won't care. They will have been conditioned to not notice it.

I know I sound a bit uptight for a 15 year old, but look at things from my perspective.

Wow, seriously I only got out of HS 6 years ago but crap man it was not like that.

 

[mattw]

I just graduated High School in 2005. Schools today are more like prisons with Rosie O'Donell as the warden.

 

[Nightcrawler]

And to think that when I was in the 8th grade, I got to shoot a .22 at a camp sponsored by the school. In the 9th Grade, I was in JROTC over at the Nat'l Guard armory learning how to field-strip and M16.

Things are changing rapidly, I think.

 

[PILMAN]

You may be right about Canada. However, you guys grew up in a different world than I am growing up in right now. My generation has to put up with a school system that is PC to the max. You didn't have the school regulating what you ate at lunch. Students are denied due process. If someone decides to beat up a student in the halls, the victim has no ability to fight back. You're expected to sit there as you get beat up, and if you throw a punch, you can be referred to the police.

It's not so much that these regulations are themselves rediculous, but instead that many of my fellow students today don't realize how rediculous they are. They're too busy watching American Idol. When they are faced with real restrictions on their rights, they won't care. They will have been conditioned to not notice it.

I know I sound a bit uptight for a 15 year old, but look at things from my perspective.

Actually I believe you. It's the same way it was in my high school in Chicago and I graduated in 2004.

Basically you weren't allowed to refer to anything regarding possibility of violence per zero tolerance policy (no sharp weapons like knifes, no talking about guns, even nail clippers were banned).

We had that same policy about fights, if someone was beating the crap out of you, you had no right to fight back. In some cases the victim faced more suspension time than the person who started the fight. It was rediculous. The schools advice was to avoid it by running away.

Lunch was the same thing, they took out all our soda machines and replaced it with fruit juices. The lunch was also heavily regulated after parents complained.

Basically the kids didn't care at our school, the advice was "This is school, stop bitchin and get through it". Oddly, life isn't that much different from school.

 

[vis-à-vis]

The House Judiciary Schedule for March has been posted. HR 1022 is not on the slate for March.

http://judiciary.house.gov/schedule.aspx

 

[mattw]

That is some good news!

 

[jpk1md]

Its a mixed bag of news.

I've called them several times for the last few weeks trying to get info on the schedule for the coming month and they refuse to say anything.

This leads me to be very skeptical and concerned that they may try to ram it into the queue with only a day or two notice (no time to react) and then force it to the floor where it may be voted on in short order......call me paranoid...I call it being prepared but we need to remain vigilant and ready to respond to this.

In the meantime the organizers of the petition: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/409898348?ltl=1172521527
need to be ready to drop that on our reps and the Judicial Committee with little or no advanced notice to make a point....its up to 13,000 signatures in less than a week.

Additionally please send e-mail and letters to your reps...it only takes 30 seconds at the link below: http://www.congress.org/congressorg/issuesaction/letterlist/?issue=23

 

[SWMAN]

HR1022 is likely being rewritten by the Judiciary staff to make it more comprehensible.

 

[briansp82593]

remember the constitution
Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
and read specifically the red part
Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
aka they cant take our guns unless we do something bad with them
i wish i could send this to those commies...

 

[briansp82593]

i wish we had a john brown for gun rights too bad we dont

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

The House Judiciary Schedule for March has been posted. HR 1022 is not on the slate for March.

Just because it isn't on the schedule yet doesn't mean it isn't on the slate for March. I've been checking that link every day and the schedule for today wasn't up until just a few days ago. Even without the month change, it isn't uncommon for items to be added to the schedule with a few days notice.

I wouldn't expect more than a few days notice if it does get put on the schedule.

 

[Zundfolge]

We also need to keep a bit of perspective here.


EVEN IF, this bill makes it out of committee and comes to a vote there is no guarantee of its passage (I keep hearing that there are a lot of pro-gun Democrats runnin' round DC these days).

EVEN IF, this bill passes the house, there is no Senate bill and when/if there's a Senate bill it has to pass there too.


So this thing is far from being fait accompli.

 

[kcmarine]

Also, I can't visit this forum on school computers (or any message board, for that matter). Gun makers' websites are blocked too, under the catagory of "weapons". Game sites are also blocked. For Pete's sake, I'm 15. If I want to play games instead of doing the homework, then it's my grade.

 

[MachIVshooter]

These bills are introduced every session. However, it is more scary when they have so much control.

Let's just hope they all remember how costly this was in 1994, when they controlled everything. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

In the mean time, I still don't think it's a bad idea for those of us who had EBR's and such further down on the "to buy" list to re-prioritize.

 

[razorhunter]

Man am I glad to see you guys concerned with this. Of all the gun forums I am a member of, very few have threads such as this, with so many who show concern.
I only WISH that all the gun owners across America, would start going on the OFFENSIVE, and organizing PROTESTS, MARCHES, and other events, just as the Gays and Anti War extremists do...
THAT is what we need...

I have to give a SPECIAL THANKS to "Bartholomew", who has kept us informed throughout this entire thread. I have truly enjoyed reading your posts, as it is obvious you are NOT just another lazy gun owner (which is primarily what we've got on EVERY firearm forum.) Yes, I MEAN EVERY FORUM...

I'm a new member here guys, but I've been reading along on this forum for quite some time now, and I'm a member of many other forums as well...
I'm glad to be here with some of you guys....

 

[nobody_special]

I only WISH that all the gun owners across America, would start going on the OFFENSIVE, and organizing PROTESTS, MARCHES, and other events, just as the Gays and Anti War extremists do...

Yeah, it'd be real eye-opener if a few hundred peaceful protesters walked up and down the national mall, carrying (unloaded) firearms...

...except it's illegal to carry a firearm in D.C. Oops.

Maybe replicas (airsoft?), along with the requisite t-shirts and signs... but even that might be asking for trouble (say a police officer mistakes a replica for the real thing ). The problems are (1) organization and (2) this would need to be done in areas where sentiment is overwhelmingly anti-gun, such as DC, CA, MD, NJ, NY, and IL. It may be more difficult to find supporters in those areas.

 

[lamazza]

I didn't even get a form letter response from my Rep Ryan in Wisconsin-nothing!

 

[briansp82593]

we all should take a trip to dc with our ccw and shotguns on our back... we dont even need signs.. they would get the point besides i believe its legal to have a unloaded unconcealed firearm in the open