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H.R. 2640 passed in House by voice vote, unrecorded

Discussion in 'Legal' started by alan, Jun 13, 2007.

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  1. alan

    alan Member

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    Strikes me that this is a hellish poor way to treat important legislation, which I assume that this was. I would go so far as to describe House action as DESPICABLE, COWARDLY AND OR LACKING IN INTEGRITY, but that's just the way it strikes me.

    The thing will now go to The Senate. Will that body follow the antics of The House, that is an unrecorded voice vote? Who knows. Perhaps readers might wish to contact their Senators, before the fact, and their House members after the fact, or after their display of wanton cowardice, or however you might describe it.

    Of course, perhaps it's me that off base, however I do believe that if an elected offical, having voted one way or the other on some particular proposal is not proud enough of their vote to have it listed next to their name, that they might well have a whole lot to be ashamed of, including the way they voted.
     
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    FYI: H.R. 2640: To improve the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, and for other purposes
     
  3. SWMAN

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    Well, some antigun Congressman aren't happy with this bill. They belive it hasn't gone far enough.

     
  4. gopguy

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    I am not happy with it. Any reform of the NICS check should include repeal of the Lautenberg Amendment. The loss of civil liberties without due process or conviction in court is repulsive.
     
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    Did anyone jump on this idiot for this remark?

     
  6. Outlaw Man

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    There was a lone voice of reason. As usual, nobody in the House listened to him.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-06-13-house-guns_N.htm
     
  7. NeveraVictimAgain

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    What bothers me is that the media keep saying this will stop "the mentally ill" - not the incompetent - from buying guns. As has been asked before, will this stop anyone who's being treated for anything, like depression or anxiety?
     
  8. xd9fan

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    Just more "common sense compromise" from your GOP.
     
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    No, it would only affect those who are found to be a danger to themselves and others in court and forced into treatment.

    Still don't like it...
     
  10. Chad

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    That is certainly a moronic, BS statement.

    Mr. MORAN of Virginia should get a whole lot of calls, letters and emails reminding him of the error in his comment.
    If there are enough it won't really matter if they are from constituents or not.
     
  11. NeveraVictimAgain

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    I thought it had been clearly established that the 2A clearly means the INDIVIDUAL right to own "arms". I can't believe they're still arguing that! Just look at the other writings of the Founding Fathers ! :cuss:
     
  12. Chad

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    Some folks should be locked up with history books for a while.

    The official pronouncement from the heavens...er, rather from the Supreme Court, has not yet been forthcoming.
    But nobody that has any familiarity with the writings of the period has any doubt of the meaning of the 2nd.
     
  13. kludge

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    So people with depression or anxiety should not be allowed to defend themselves?

    There is no due process here. Adjudication at least help prevent (limit?) abusive use of power.

    A few years fom now, in the aftermath of the next massacre, McCarthy and the NRA will wonder why this law didn't stop the crazed gun(wo)man.

    Paper doesn't stop bullets.
     
  14. Chad

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    Rep. Moran cleverly requires zip+4 to access his contact by email, so he can ignore any email outside of his district.

    Anyone wishing to call or write him regarding his 2nd Amendment comment can use the following info:
    Washington, DC
    2239 Rayburn Building
    Washington, DC 20515
    Phone: (202) 225-4376
    Fax: (202) 225-0017
    Alexandria Office
    333 N. Fairfax St.
    Suite 201
    Alexandria, VA 22314
    Phone: (703) 971-4700
    Fax: (703) 922-9436
    Reston Office
    1900 Campus Commons Dr. Suite 100
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    Tues. & Thurs. 10:00AM-1:00PM
     
  15. ctdonath

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    No. It only addresses those who have been adjudicated (i.e.: a judge has reviewed an issue specific to a particular person, and rendered a narrow & specific judgment upon that person) subject to involuntary treatment. Voluntary treatment not involving a court does not impact NICS.

    Of course:
    - few people (probably me included) understand this law and its effects, so they will avoid treatment to ensure they do not lose their rights
    - the next version of this law WILL include voluntary treatment, right after someone being treated voluntarily for depression exits stage left and takes a roomful of people with them.
     
  16. NeveraVictimAgain

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    Thanks!

    CT- Thanks for your erudite and possibly prophetic answer.

    What I'm hearing is that this doesn't change the requirement for having been adjudicated incompetent before you lose your 2A rights.

    Thanks again.
     
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