"Hairy Situations": did you ever draw your gun or fired in self defense??

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Describe, if you wish, a situation where you had to draw (or been very close to draw) or, at worst, fire your weapon (Home defense and CCW holders)
There is a theory, and I totally agree with it, that when you are armed you should actually be more prudent and more willing to walk away for situations that could develop in something serious...

For example you walk on your own and suddenly approached by a bunch drunk punk trash, looking to pick up a fight with someone.... better to try your best to get out of it because you know that if you are cornered in a bad spot you could seriosus hurt these guys.....and have to do lot of explaining later....

What is your take on this and your experiences???
 
This is kind of a weird question. I've shot at people a number of times. I've drawn on people more often. I've only fired the first shot once.

But, I drew on a guy first and it turned out I busted a serial rapist (in the act).

I drew on another guy who was unarmed who ended up with more than 20 years of sentencing on various assault charges.

I returned fire in a number of instances. One was three miles north of the Mexican border when I came around a corner on a Jeep trail in the middle of nowhere and saw a large number of people unloading a truck full of marijuana into pickup trucks. They opened fire on us and I darn near ripped reverse out of my Jeep while holding my .357 out the window and firing in the general direction of the smugglers. Got around the corner and shifted into high range and boogied.

Then there was the bunch of drunks who crashed because they tried to pass me and didn't know there was a 90-degree turn over the little ridge 50 feet in front of us. They shot at me because it was my fault for getting in their way. I heard them say that.

And the Mexican banditos who tried to raid our camp, but didn't realize we were awake and well armed. Lots of noise, lots of muzzle flash, doubt anybody came close to getting hit.

To my knowledge I've only shot one person. He was standing 15 feet away and holding a crow bar and told me he was going to break my skull. Stupidly, I shot him in the knee cap. His partner grabbed me around the neck because I'd lost my focus and did not know where he was. He let go when I fired a round next to his ear and I high-tailed it.

For all I know I shot him in the head.

Three times I've been robbed at gunpoint. The first time I never had an advantage or a defensible position. I was pistol whipped and left bleeding on the sidewalk.

Second time I turned my back on him and walked away.

Third time, well, my Alaskan malamute/German shepherd mix was very racially prejudiced. I dropped the leash. I got a nice gun and $40 out of the incident. I still, nearly 40 years later, can't believe anyone was stupid enough to try and rob a guy with a 120-pound mutt.

Oh, and did I mention the time I was going 90 south of Las Vegas and there were two cars in two lanes coming at me. I aimed for the center thinking I might be able to spin them both and not flip...

The one on my right, left coming at me, veered off at the last second and went a couple hundred yards into the desert. I turned around and went back to see if they were alright and a guy got out and cocked a semi-auto as he walked toward my truck from about 200 yards off the road.

I went back to the truck, got a Mini 14 out from behind the seat, snapped in a 30-round mag and started walking toward him. He ran back to the car amongst many female-sounding screams and that car made it out of the desert and onto the pavement before I took 12 steps in their direction.

Funny thing about that one was there was a white VW Rabbit followed me through the crash at 90 mph, turned around and followed me back to the scene. When the Mini 14 came out they took off too.

What would I do? What's reasonable. The same thing that has permitted me to live as long as I have. Make sure I survive so those I care about are not threatened.

If you're going to lose, lose fast, lose easy. If you're going to fight; fight fast, fight hard - win.

My experience is that just because somebody is shooting doesn't mean someone has to die. It means someone has to lay down cover fire so an opportunity to retreat and regroup is available. Once that is accomplished it becomes a tactical situation.

I assume we are only talking about civilian actions and not "war zone" or "police actions."
 
My best friends were with me, Mr, Smith & Mr. Wesson

One of my enlisted men was dealing drugs back in the early 1980's. I didn't like him, he didn't like me. We were stationed in a fairly rough little New England industrial town.

Matters escalated. I had some advanced warning that some sort of BS contract had been let out on me and my then girlfriend, because the girl (a local) had been labeled as a snitch, and me as some sort of narc. Supposedly just to have us beaten up to teach us a lesson.

I began being careful about where I parked my car when I went to pick her up or drop her off. We got caught anyway, because it was a small city, and there were a limited number of variations I could make in my routine. About five nights after I was warned, a car full of people roared up as we crossed a dark street, accellerating and putting its bright lights on when we were in the middle of the road, and something was thrown at us that I couldn't see, but which sounded heavy and metallic as it bounced along the pavement at our feet. A pipe or wrench, maybe.

Three cars then stopped, one of which I later took to be a local resident who stopped because he/she just wondered *** was going on, but it took me a while to sort it out later.

I put my girlfriend behind me, and walked slowly backwards up onto somebody's lawn, creating distance, and not taking my eyes off of anything in front of me. There was no cover, and because of my girl rapid retreat was not an option. I had a brown belt in karate at the time, but at least two car loads of people kind of suggested I might have a bit of trouble using just my hands and feet.

One guy got out of the passenger side of the closest car and began striding toward me quite quickly and aggressively, well off the sidewalk and right up to where we were in the middle of a stranger's front lawn in the dark, saying nothing. I was using a "soft focus" that my martial arts training had taught me, where I was deliberately avoiding not fixating on any one element of what was unfolding in front of me. The guy started toward me from about ten yards, with the car he had exited immediately behind him.

My brain was split right in two. The civilized part of it was screaming that this whole thing was like a bad movie and just could not be happening. The reptile part of my brain had decided that if a projectile-launching weapon showed from either vehicle, or if the man in front of me approached closer than a spot I had noted on the ground maybe 3 yards in front of me, I was going to kill him with a center mass shot, and then turn my attention to the vehicles as needed. I felt that the use of the weapon was justified because of the numbers of opponents I was facing, whether they were armed or not. I was absolutely, totally determined that neither one of us was going to be hurt by these maggots.

When the guy advancing on us got to about 7 yards, I drew my 6" S&W M66 .357. Once the weapon was in my hand, I kept it pointed at the ground behind my thigh, in the manner in which I had been taught to use a police baton. Why? Because I had a weapon in my hand, and up to that time the only weapon I had really been trained to fight with at close quarters was a baton, and that was the ready position I had been taught. Anyway, that gleaming stainless steel S&W must have made quite a flash in the side wash of all of the headlights as it came out and went behind me.

Had the guy advancing on us gotten to the spot I had marked as his personal gateway to Hell, I would have killed him. But he took only one pace after I drew, and said, "I think something fell off of my car." I suggested that he go back and try to find it.

He got back in his car and everybody drove away, no harsh words being used by anyone.

It took me a while to come down from the adrenalin surge. I reported the event to my commanding officer, who was one absolutely stand up mench who to this day I would follow anywhere. He backed me up with the local cops when we reported all this, who went completely nuts, the chief of police declaring that their town was "not like Chicago" and that this all had to be total nonsense. Dream on, Chief. My CO sent me out of town on leave for a week until things cooled off a bit.

I've learned a good deal since this happened to me. I eventually dumped the chick, because I began to have real misgivings about who she really was and what she was into. I think I would have had a very hard time justifying lethal force on that night, especially if I had dropped the first guy and then had the others drive away without leaving evidence of the threat they had posed, or just as bad, lie as adverse witnesses. ("Hey, man! We weren't doin nothin' and this a**h*** just started shootin' "). We would have survived the encounter in any event, but the legal aftermath would have been horrendous. Now I would be very sure to make very loud, repeated verbal demands of an assaulter, and would have less hesitation about holding the weapon in a low ready in front of me if the decision to shoot had not already been made, or even pointing it an attacker if the situation warranted.

And now I carry a 1911. Always.
 
Shouldn't this thread be in General Gun discussions. Doesn't seem relevant to autoloaders.

Just saying :)
 
Note to self... stay out of NW Arizona...

Kidding, great stories. I have none of my own but a few of my best friends are cops and I hear all kinds of crazy stuff. Things I wouldn't believe otherwise.

Take care all.
 
From experience, I can tell you that most anyone who really has will not discuss it...here or elsewhere...

Don't expect this thread to grow much...
 
one evening at my parents house with the windows open cause it was in the fall
we heard foot steps in the brush outside, we were told by a state trooper earlier that evening that they had an arrestie get away from them in a resturant parking lot about 3/4 mile away so my dad grabbed a spot light and i grabbed the glock 23 and we searched the woods until we met up with the cops who eventually found the guy
 
One time, when we were first married, my wife and I were getting groceries out of the car to take into our apartment. I turned around and was confronted with a whole herd of javelina.

My wife scrambled onto the hood of the car while I backed up and retrieved a .45 from the door pocket. One of the pigs advanced toward me, grunting and snapping his tusks.

I put the front sight on his head as he closed to within about six feet of me. I was almost ready to fire but, I figured I'd see if I could get him to leave in a way that wouldn't involve official hassles (discharging a firearm in city limits, even though justified). I yelled and stomped at the pig and he backed up a couple steps. After some more yelling, the whole herd decided to turn around and walk away.

I was relieved to have not needed to fire, and pretty shaken by encountering a bunch of wild animals that were almost completely intimidated by humans.

So far I've had far more close calls with animals (coyotes, javelina, stray dogs) than people.
 
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