Handgun Purchase - .380 over a .40cal?

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MikeyB

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I'm purchasing a handgun (protection) that my wife and I can both use. She test fired a Glock 23. She was extremely intimidated, stated that the recoil was too much to handle and the trigger weight hurt her finger when she pulled. Myself, I absolutely loved it .

We quit after a few rounds but she wants me to keep looking. She say a .380 that caught her eye but the gunshop owner said it's not a good gun for protection. I'm no expert but I do have my doubts about that based on posts I've read here and in doing some research.

Wanted to hear from all of you on your thoughts, please
 
If she is recoil sensitive, I would suggest her trying out a 9mm. A nine will usually have less recoil that a .380 from an equivalent sized gun. This is because most nines have locked breach / recoil operated actions while most .380s are of a simple blow back design. Ammo for the 9mm is also more readily available, cheaper and more effective than the .380. They are many to choose from and I would suggest her going to a well stocked gun store and see what felt good in her hands.
 
Rent a Glock model 19. It is the 9mm version of glock 23 and uses the same frame (they come from the same mold) with much milder recoil and cheaper practice ammo. It is popular with a good reputation.

40S&W has a very snappy recoil IMO. I really do not enjoy shooting shooting the caliber and don't care to own one especially in a glock or other polymer framed pistol. I don't recommend starting a new shooter out with a 40S&W; that's a quick way to make shooting NOT fun. Try the G19 and make sure she has really good hearing protection also. Loud sounds make the recoil/blast seem worse to new (and sometimes experienced) shooters.
 
+1 on the 9MM. Might I suggest a taurus PT111 mil pro? My wife abolutely adores hers, and it's very user friendly. Cheap too. If you find it too small, try a Ruger P95. Also inexpensive for a home defense weapon, and it will absorb recoil better.
 
My wife has the same problem shooting my Glocks. She has small hands and cannot get a proper grip on the glock. Without a proper grip, the recoil can seem to be amplified which makes it uncomfortable to shoot. This is the same for the 23 (which we no longer have) and the 19 (9mm). My wife has no problem shooting my Kimber 1911 in 45acp. She is able to get a proper grip and does not have any issues with the recoil. Being able to get a good grip is half the battle with recoil.

Before dropping down to a .380, have her handle some other handguns to see how they fit. One example to look at is a Springfield XD in 9mm. Most people who don't do well with a Glock are just fine with the XD. The 9mm will also have a lower recoil pulse then the 40 S&W.

Another point to make is most .380 are blowback. Meaning the barrel and slide do not lock together. Even though a .380 has less power, the recoil from a .380 blowback can have a pretty snappy recoil to it.

Practice will also help with the recoil. The more you shoot the more tolerance you build up to the recoil.

There was a time when my wife thought she could not handle anything but a .22lr. Now the first handgun she grabs is the 1911. Go figure. Comfort and practice make all the difference.
 
Try a full sized Glock 17. Less recoil, and the trigger is smooth. It was probably the ridges on the G23's trigger that hurt your wife's finger. The actual pull weight is about 5.5 to 6 pounds, which isn't heavy at all.
 
.380s put holes in people too.

There are many .380 caliber guns to choose if your wife can't get used to a larger caliber. Personally I don't fret over not having the largest gun on the block. They all scare the crap out of you when pointed at you, and they all can kill.

Beretta, Sig and CZ make fine, dependable and easy to shoot .380s. I regularly shoot a 9mm HK also and I'm not convinced the recoil is less from it than my Beretta 84. Grip size can be a telling factor for some women and that's where some smaller caliber guns begin to look better to a women. Finding a gun your wife likes and is comfortable with, and thus will practice with, is more important than round size IMHO.
 
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If the gun is for her....

Let her get the one she wants. She'll be more likley practice with her choice
than your choice. If she later wants to try something else, great, if not, that's fine too. Bersa makes a great .380 (I own one, flawless, BTW). The price makes it a great "starter" gun, the quality makes it a keeper.

BusDog.
 
+1 on all the posts thus far

I agree that I wouldn't jump right to a .40S&W, as others have said. They have a lot of recoil for a woman who's never fired a gun. The 9mm is in between the .40 and the .380 in terms of power, etc.

So I'd suggest first looking at 9mm pistols as the ammo is cheaper and more readily available, and most 9mm pistols are locked breech, which reduces felt recoil. 9mm is plenty powerful for self defense and easy enough to handle to do a lot of target shooting. Another thing that reduces recoil is having a heavier/larger gun. While the polymer guns are lighter, they also tend to recoil a bit more (with some exceptions).

My CZ 75BD shoots like butter with barely any recoil. My wife loves it. It's an all steel, full sized 9mm pistol with great ergonomics, especially with the CZ rubber grips. It just feels natural in the hand. The trigger pull isn't bad at all.

Your wife may like smaller guns, and there are plenty of compact, sub-compact, and almost-pocket 9mm pistols. Glocks, Sigs, Heckler & Koch, CZ, Ruger, etc. all make nice 9mm pistols in various sizes. But again, keep in mind that smaller guns will recoil more, generally speaking. Someone mentioned the Taurus PT-111 Millenium Pro in 9mm. This gun is a nice size and capacity (12+1), but the trigger pull is pretty hard, and you mentioned your wife thought a Glock had a hard trigger, so I might think twice about the PT-111 for that reason.

But, if you opt for the .380 over the 9mm for whatever reason, don't feel like you have a useless gun. .380 is plenty powerful and can easily kill someone. It's not a joke caliber. In .380 there's the Bersa Thunder .380 that a lot of people like, among others. It's a slim, small gun that can be had for $200. A good starter, from what I've heard (haven't shot one).

Hope that helps.
 
Great reply Juna

I did want to add some info on the Bersa .380 since I have shot one. A friend of mine was in the exact same situation as MikeyB (and just like I was with my wife). His girlfriend bought a Bersa .380. She still had problems with the recoil (she tried my 23 and that was a no-go). After I shot it I told her it had sharper recoil then any 9mm I ever shot. I let her shoot my S&W 908s (9mm) and she agreed it was much easier to shoot and hit the target. She has since sold the Bersa and is now looking for a 9mm that fits her hand (She seems to really like the new Beretta polymer 9mm).

This is not to knock the Bersa. It seemed to be a well-made handgun. It went bang every time, nice size for small hands, and you can't beat the price. But, I would not recommend it to someone just for the sake of reduced recoil.

MikeyB,
There are many variables with any firearm that affect felt recoil. Grip angle, grip size, weight, materials it made from, caliber and so on. Any combination of these will have an effect on felt recoil and controllability. Small handguns do not always equal light recoil. Sometimes heavy large caliber handguns can be easier to shoot than a small caliber lightweight handgun.

The first place to start is to let her see what fits her hand and go from there. She will know what she likes once she tries a few. Hopefully there is a range where you can rent handguns to try them out. If not, then sometimes you have to take a chance and buy what you think will work. Don't be too surprised you if you end up getting one for her and one for yourself (most people consider that a bonus :D )

Good luck
 
MikeyB, my wife is also "recoil sensative" and I got her a Browning BDA380. It's a bit bulking because it's a double stack but she have long fingers and it offers 14 rounds of .380ACP in a compact package (she doesn't use it as a carry gun but more for home defense) and kicks like a .22 -- Better for her to hit something with a .380 than miss with a larger caliber!
 
If it were me and a .380 was my choice I would go with one that had a Hi Cap magazine such as this one here on GB http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=48165658

While it doesn't state what the capacity of the mags it comes with are Taurus has 15 rounders on their site for $40 each .

It seems this model is discontinued though so if it interests you , you need to find dealer and order one before they run out of stock on them .

I like the Taurus semis "I own a PT940" because like a 1911 you can carry them in condition one if you desire to do so , or carry DA no safety on or DA safety on whichever you prefer .

They can also be had in 9mm if thats what you want .
http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=47904944
 
Many Thanks...

EXCELLENT information from everyone - Thank you so much for your time and for sharing your knowledge. You've really given me/us other alternatives to consider.

Again, Thank you!!!! I'll keep you all posted as to what we purchase - and purchase we will :D
 
Welcome to THR.

All good advice above. Take her to a gun shop or gun show. For her I'd stick with the 9mm. Let her pick up and hold as many different ones as she can. For small hands I'd recommend a Kahr. The K or T all steel Series. Small single stack grip, small gun, but good chunky weight helps absorb recoil, comfortable soft rubber grips, nice light double action trigger.

http://www.kahr.com/pistols_9mm.html
 
Pricing

What are we looking at as far as pricing for a 9mm? I know a .380 is between $250 - $400 and the GLOCK's start at $500.:confused:
 
Depends what size/brand/etc you want. You can get a KelTec P-11 for $200, but that will have a lot of recoil for your wife as it's a very small gun (12+1 and almost pocket sized gun). You can get a used Ruger P89 or P95 (durable and totally fine to buy used) for $250 or new for $300-350ish. You can get a CZ 75 used for $300 or sometimes under. Taurus also makes some low priced 9mm semiautos (for example the PT-111 millenium pro that someone mentioned was about $250 locally, and they make a copy of the Beretta 92 called the PT 92, which is a full sized 9mm).

Yes, Glocks will run you $500ish, at least, for a new one. SigSauer, Heckler & Koch, Beretta, etc. are also all excellent guns, but are also very expensive.

IMO, CZs and Rugers are very economical and yet extremely durable guns for what you pay. They're a good gun for anyone. I personally prefer the CZ in that I find it more accurate and think the ergonomics (grip, etc.) feel much better in my hand, but Rugers are rugged as heck and will never fail you, either.

I did a lot of research before I bought my CZ, and I had it narrowed down to CZ (the CZ 75B) and Ruger (the P95). Then I went to the range and rented one of each the same day to compare them. I immediately decided on the CZ 75 BD and bought one used to save money (around $350-400 new) and to get one that was already broken in but still in great shape.

To get a rough idea of prices, try going to www.budsgunshop.com and take a look around at the pistols. Also, go to your local gun shop and handle some of them. I have a few gun shops around me, and one of them is ridiculously overpriced, which is why I get an idea of prices online before I go into the stores. There are some gun auction sites (www.gunbroker.com, www.gunsamerica.com, www.auctionarms.com, etc.) to get a rough idea of used prices, too. You can go to your local bookstore to look up used gun blue book values, too.

Everyone will tell you to go rent a ton of guns and try them (and that's a great idea), but the problem with that is that if you're on a budget, you'll end up spending your whole budget on gun rentals and range time. If you know someone who shoots, that's a great alternative b/c you can probably shoot their guns for free if you buy them a box of ammo. But there's a certain amount of faith involved in buying your first gun. Some people find out they love what they bought, and others realize what they DON'T like about their gun and end up buying something completely different later. It's all part of the process.

I'm totally thrilled with my CZ 75 BD. I couldn't be happier. I definitely got my money's worth, and everyone who's shot it is jealous of its accuracy and wants one. :D

But determine what your budget is, and we can make more specific suggestions as to what to handle in the store. Then you can narrow it down to a few and either rent them or ask on here or both, and we'll help you out.

Hope that helps!
 
9mm

Good advice, from everyone. I'm going to take her to the range this weekend and (hopefully) rent a 9mm. Sounds like an excellent gun for her (and me too :evil: ).

I've owned a S&W .357 snub nose, Walther PPK, Colt 45, S&W 44 Magnum some years back and loved each and every one of them. Now it's time to get sensible with a light, compact carry firearm.

If all goes well, we'll scope out and purchase a 9mm then, down the road, I'll get myself that GLOCK 23 FOR ME:cool:
 
Options

If the 9mm doesn't work out.. And it HAS to be a handgun
try a revolver or semi-auto in .22 mag or .32.

If not, try a rlong gun of some sort or a 410 shotgun.
 
Our range had a "manufacturer's day" today where a bunch of reps showed up with their wares, and I had a chance to shoot 9mm autos from Beretta, SIG, Springfield, HK, S&W, Walther and Kahr (as well as a 45 Colt revolver from Beretta and a 50 BMG AR-50 rifle - once.) While I am personally now on the lookout for a Kahr PM9 as a carry gun, of the larger 9mms that I tried I found the Walther P99 to be the most comfortable to hold and shoot. It, like the S&W M&P, has interchangeable backstraps that can alter the feel of the grip significantly to fit your hand better. It also has a smooth slide with flush decocker, a DA/SA trigger with a very short reset between shots, and comes in a compact version as well as a "standard." I liked the trigger action better than any of the other DA/SA models I shot.
 
Definitely recommend Glock 19.

While you can probably find a used one for $400, if you are truly buying it for self protection, do you really want to "save" $100??? If your life is going to depend on it, don't let price determine what you buy.
 
For the recoil sensitive, I recommend a FULL size 9mm such as a Beretta 92. IMO, the Beretta 92 is the easiest recoiling 9mm in its class.

Another possibility is a full size .38 spl revolver . I know many will disagree with me, but to me the .38 special recoils considerably less than the 9mm. When I shoot a GP 100 and Sig 226 side by side, I can tell the difference immediately. The Sig 226 in 9mm has a great deal of snap, while the GP 100 is more of a soft push and roll.
 
Is this for carry or home defence? If it is for home defence, look at the Glock 34/35. The G35 is the .40 S&W, but on that frame recoil is light, as light or lighter than 9x19 on many other pistols. I haven't tried the G34 (9x19) but recoil must be even lighter.
 
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Thanks to Everyone

Thank you all for your insight, your honest responses and your guidance :) . She's tried a few .40 & 9mm but decided to wait. I, on the other hand, decided NOT to wait :evil: and am going to look for a good 9mm or .40

Kel Tec P11
CZ 75
GLOCK17/19/23

Thanks again...Luv the site :cool:
 
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