REAPER4206969
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The JBT's in those videos are California Highway Patrol and the Oklahoma national guard.
Handguns and Katrina-Styled Gun Confiscation
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mljdeckard
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It was a variety of volunteers from agencies all across the country acting under the command and supervision of the city of New Orleans and the state of Louisiana.
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The CHP officers that took her down also broke her arm and hip in the process.
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Yes, but in the video I posted they were California Highway Patrol and Oklahoma national guard.
FWIW, during evacuation/hurricane crises in Texas, this did NOT happen, at least not on any organized level. For one thing, Texas passed a law forbidding such confiscations. For another, Texas law regarding Official Oppression is quite broad in scope. Thirdly, Louisiana law is based on the Napoleonic Code, not English Common Law; one of the key differences is that the Napoleonic Code holds that one is guilty until proven innocent.
Now, being allowed into a shelter with weapons is a different matter. Those of use who want to evacuate with weapons had best be prepared. The owner of, or person in charge of the premises, can dictate what is allowed onto the premises. But, then, as someone recently posted on another forum, we prepare ahead of time, so we DON'T have to go to the Superdome.
Now, being allowed into a shelter with weapons is a different matter. Those of use who want to evacuate with weapons had best be prepared. The owner of, or person in charge of the premises, can dictate what is allowed onto the premises. But, then, as someone recently posted on another forum, we prepare ahead of time, so we DON'T have to go to the Superdome.
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The confiscation of firearms did not just happen in New Orleans. It occurred in other parts of Louisiana and in Mississippi as well. Governors approved. Federal troops were involved. It was approved in the White House.
It is worth studying Katrina because the only real chaos that occurred was what the government caused or provoked.
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It is worth studying Katrina because the only real chaos that occurred was what the government caused or provoked.
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mljdeckard
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Back up Tipoc. Where did the White House approve disarming citizens?
There were problems AFTER, in not allowing people in the FEMA trailers to keep arms.
There were problems AFTER, in not allowing people in the FEMA trailers to keep arms.
zxcvbob
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The latest America's 1st Freedom gives an account of a bar owner who was robbed of her guns by U.S. Marshalls with M-16's as she was packing up to evacuate. It's on page 62 of the January 2010 issue.
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Okay, but I'm more interested in how you would act in a future societel meltdown. Do handguns have the edge in retaining one's own weapons in such situations? What happens if you lie to such people and deny you have weapons. Worse, what happens if one resists? (Not to the point of shooting someone, but just refuses to open a safe or reveal where your weapons are?)
Would armed citizens who refused to surrender their weapons have been shot? Just how far would these thugs have gone.
Would armed citizens who refused to surrender their weapons have been shot? Just how far would these thugs have gone.
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There is no law that requires me to tell anyone how many guns I have. No, I won't tell them.
As for whether or not I would resist to keep them? Based on New Orleans, probably not. In THAT type situation, some people were assaulted and injured in the process of having their guns stolen, but no one was killed. If you shoot at police officers, you would most assuredly be killed.
I think the best thing is to first of all, not give them any reason to enter your house in the first place. But if they do, as they did illegally in N.O., it would be good to have one or two guns in an obvious hiding place that they will take, and have the rest in a better hiding place hoping that they are in too much of a hurry to continue searching. If they see you have a gun, I don't think it matters if it's a handgun or rifle, and if they are going to illegally enter your house to search it, they are going to pat you down. It will get found anyway.
Look at it this way. Yes what happened to gun owners in New Orleans was unforgiveable. The punishment to those who did it was not even a slap on the wrist. BUT AS A RESULT, many states have passed much more specific laws protecting gun owners in the time of emergency. We now have a precedent to point to to those who say it can't happen. When New Orleans AGAIN tried to ignore the law and steal guns, it was much more quickly reported and stopped. We got a lot of positive results from it anyway.
As for whether or not I would resist to keep them? Based on New Orleans, probably not. In THAT type situation, some people were assaulted and injured in the process of having their guns stolen, but no one was killed. If you shoot at police officers, you would most assuredly be killed.
I think the best thing is to first of all, not give them any reason to enter your house in the first place. But if they do, as they did illegally in N.O., it would be good to have one or two guns in an obvious hiding place that they will take, and have the rest in a better hiding place hoping that they are in too much of a hurry to continue searching. If they see you have a gun, I don't think it matters if it's a handgun or rifle, and if they are going to illegally enter your house to search it, they are going to pat you down. It will get found anyway.
Look at it this way. Yes what happened to gun owners in New Orleans was unforgiveable. The punishment to those who did it was not even a slap on the wrist. BUT AS A RESULT, many states have passed much more specific laws protecting gun owners in the time of emergency. We now have a precedent to point to to those who say it can't happen. When New Orleans AGAIN tried to ignore the law and steal guns, it was much more quickly reported and stopped. We got a lot of positive results from it anyway.
zxcvbob
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BTW, Katrina wasn't an isolated incident that could never happen again. The same thing happened in Greensburg, Kansas after a tornado in May 2007.
Nine out of ten posters can't seem to focus on the OP's question so we'll close this and hope for a better effort at some other time.
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