handguns for grizzly defence

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Your grandfather was mauled by a grizzly ... so you WOULDN'T carry a powerful rifle or shotgun? Perhaps that statement needs clarification or more information -- it's confusing/nonsensical as written.

Actually, from a brief skimming of the information give here: http://www.panda.com/canadaguns/#overview it would appear that it would be EASIER for a Canadian to posses a shotgun or rifle originally manufactured with a short barrel (as long as it was 26" or longer in fireable configuration) than to posses a handgun, as they would be "non-restricted" as opposed to "restricted."

But I'm sure you can explain the Canadian laws much more confidently than can I.

If you really can't go with a rifle or shotgun, and large bore revolvers are right out ... not sure what to tell you except, pick whatever gun your wife can and WILL shoot, in the most powerful cartridge she can handle. Then have her practice A LOT, until she's absolutely deadly with it -- on command, under stress.

Then practice all your best bear avoidance and deterrent strategies -- and hope for the best!

-Sam
 
your wife is probably going to have to just bite the bullet and carry a short barreled slug gun or large caliber revolver. I know its not what you want to here, but it really is the best option when safety is concerned. I would go through the proper channels to get one if that's what you think is the most ideal. there are some relatively small 45/70 lever actions out there compared to the large bolt action rifles, put a sling on it or the slug gun.

(or even 450 marlin http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/41198 )

As far as the revolvers and and semi's, the .50 cals are by no means ridiculous for your application. this might be bigger than what you want but if you have your heart set on a semi auto, you might consider the desert eagle in 50 a/e. I have shot a .44 mag version dozens of times and never had a misfire or misfeed/jam. The recoil to me seems very tame. From what others have told me, the .50 a/e is not much worse. The best I can tell you is what others have, .44mag hot loaded with hard casts minimum with some good grips. Get a short barreled and it won't seem as obtrusive. The bigger you can go the better and have her try a few out. The 460s&w is an excellent choice, very versatile, and for raw stopping power, the 500 magnum. Both of those have snub versions in a 2 3/4" barrel specifically made for bear defense by Smith & Wesson. There is also a 480 Ruger Alaskan made for such applications. There are loads of options, just not in the mall size you want. what ever it is make sure she practices a lot with it. I know this is mostly what others have said, but they know what they are talking about. You and your wife need to ask yourselves, is it worth it to take the extra risk for comfort? She will probably be able to shoot them if you work up from light loads to the heavier stuff.
 
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I will buck the trend here and tell you to have her try on the Ruger sp-101 and see what she thinks.

You are going out in the wilderness as you say no matter what, so outfitting
your wife with a heavy loaded (180 gr. hardcast minimum) handgun that she
is likely to keep on her person makes more sense than forcing her to haul
around a hand cannon that she is likely to leave in the tent.


I have hunted alaska for Caribou with my wife and our sidearms were a GP 4" and an SP 2" respectively.
Not the best caliber by far but we were always armed even when the long guns were lying in the tent after a long day of dragging them around.
 
Refer to my earlier post "Killer Grizzly".
And see the pictures, of the bear killed by a .38.

grizcty

According to the news paper reports Chad killed that bear with two shots from a .300 Win mag. There was no .38 Special involved.

Care to comment?

In fact here is the story. Would you like to revise the Walter Smitty version you posted on the hand gun page? Here is a link to your version the Disney version we'll call it.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=508236

Here is a link to the actual story.

http://juneauempire.com/stories/0309...50309026.shtml

Grizzly is shot after hibernating in diner
Restaurant's owner notified by state troopers after bear was seen entering through window
By TIM MOWRY FAIRBANKS DAILY NEWS-MINER
FAIRBANKS - An old grizzly bear that chose a closed restaurant off the Dalton Highway to hibernate for the winter was shot and killed.

Fairbanks tour operator and restaurant owner Brett Carlson and his companions found the bear sleeping in a dark hallway.

"It was pretty intense," said Chad Conklin, the 30-year-old tour guide who shot the bear twice at close range with a .300-caliber Winchester magnum rifle and once with a 12-gauge shotgun. "It was pretty nerve-racking."

Carlson got a call last Tuesday from Alaska State Trooper Curt Bedingfield in Coldfoot instructing him that someone had spotted a grizzly bear climbing into one of the restaurant's windows.

The restaurant, which is closed in the winter, is located off the Dalton Highway about 150 miles north of Fairbanks. Carlson bought the camp a year and a half ago as part of his tourism business, Northern Alaska Tour Company.

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Bedingfield told Carlson he might want to check the situation out. He advised him not to go alone and to be prepared to encounter a hibernating bear. If they found the bear inside, Bedingfield told them to shoot it rather than risk getting cornered by a mad grizzly.

Early the next morning, Carlson rounded up Conklin, one of his tour guides, and Ed Colvin, a cook, and made the 120-mile drive down to the restaurant. They arrived at 8:30 a.m., strapped on snowshoes and tromped the quarter mile to the restaurant. All three men were armed.

They were 100 yards from the restaurant when they spotted the window where the bear had entered the building. The window was ripped off and the snow in front of the window was covered with urine and feces, he said. The office was trashed but there was no sign of the bear.

"That's when we thought, 'It's going to be dark and he's in here,"' said Conklin. "That's when the heart started pumping."

The three men entered the building together and began a room-to-room search for the bear with Conklin in the lead. All three men wore headlamps and Carlson carried a spotlight.

The first thing they noticed was that all the merchandise in the gift shop had been pulled off the shelves. There was a "nest" of T-shirts, sweat shirts and fleece coats built near a door to a back storage area where the bear had obviously been sleeping and the men were expecting it to be around the corner.

"My thought was he was going to be right around corner," said Conklin, the most experienced outdoorsman of the trio. "I had the safety off."

But the bear wasn't there. As they made their way to the kitchen and passed a hallway leading to rooms in the back of the building, Conklin noticed a large mound in the hallway. He told Carlson to shine the light down the hallway.

"All of a sudden you could see the two eyes and I said, 'Whoa, he's down here,"' said Conklin. "He poked his head up and started looking at us."

The bear started to stand up and, with Carlson shining the light on the bear, Conklin fired the first of two shots with the rifle, hitting the bear in the chest. The bear dropped but was still moving so Conklin fired again. He shot the bear in the heart with the shotgun to ensure it was dead.

"Everybody told us to keep shooting it until you know it's dead," Conklin said.

The bear probably did anywhere from $10,000 to $50,000 in damage, depending on what needs to be replaced, Carlson said. The bear ripped out a wall to get into the freezer and tipped over ranges, refrigerators and glass cases.

"He basically demolished the place," said Carlson.

While the bear's hide squared at 7 feet, 3 inches; big but not huge for an Interior grizzly, the skull measured almost 26 inches.

Carlson is planning to have the restaurant open in time for the tourist season. He's hoping clean up much of the mess before things thaw out.

"With all that bear feces and urine in there, it's going to reek if it thaws out first," he said.

Carlson said he probably should have boarded the windows up but the thought of a grizzly bear taking up residence in the restaurant never occurred to him.
 
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I would try the Smith & Wesson 44 mag with a 4" barrel. 629. should be small enough to carry and big enough to do the job.
You have to remember that unless you shoot it in the head and kill it instantly a vital hit will still take time for the bear to die. Our Island Park Fish and game cops say the average bear attack is about 30 seconds.


Here is a good thread to read be sure to read the OP's last post about what he bought his 12 year old daughter.
http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1045618

Good luck with what ever you do.
 
I've tried to ignor this post but I can't. The OP asked a legitamet question that deserves an answer. I also have a wife and I live in an area were there are bears and also moose. ( a much bigger threat). My wife has her own 9mm pistol and is a fine shot. She has her own gear and knows how to use it. That said I would no more put her in a position to defend herself against a brown bear attack than I would shove her out of an airplane without a parachute. Bears are big fast and the closest thing we have on earth to a monster that can kill a full grown steer with one swat and eat your guts out while you are still conscious. With all that said they are themselves flesh and blood. They can be and have been turned by shotguns with bird shot. They are not mechanical robots that never succumb to less than a .50 cal AP round. They are rutinely killed with .44 mags. The key is to never ever put yourself or loved ones in a position to have to deal with an attack. If you do find yourself in the regretable situation of an attack you half to have the skill and the hardware to handle it. Sadly to say most women don't fit the bill. This is no disparaging remark towards women. You must be ready at all times to draw and fire well aimed shots and (really) hope for a CNS hit. If the threat is REAL, to hang a hand cannon on her hip you might as well hang a salmon around her neck and tell her to have a nice day. As for myself if I put my wife in that situation I should hope to be charged with reckless endagerment at the least.
 
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I'm going with the "normal" 44mag or 454/460 type handgun. I've never picked up a 500S&W mag. They look like they're as heavy as concrete blocks and equally as handy. Shoot six rounds and run like heck if it don't stop. It will stop sooner or later with 6 44 mag rounds in it, hopefully before it reaches you. The 500 S&W will probably just become an expensive paper weight for the typical female and about as useless as a flyswatter against a bear if left inside.
 
Always wanted to try my .480 Raging Bull on a grizzly. I bet if I shot him through his roaring mouth it would probably blow the back of his head out. So much for a good mount....
 
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