Handguns in DC suburbs? (Silver Spring)

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As a MD resident, you may encounter issues with online purchases. Some dealers, such as Bud's Gun Shop, refuse to ship firearms to MD (handguns & long guns). I've encountered dealers and private sellers on Gunbroker.com who will not deal with MD residents/dealers.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/shipping.php

I spent the first 26 years of my life in MD and I now reside in VA. I would never return to MD. When I go to visit family there, I can swear I feel my freedoms diminish as I cross the state line. MD property taxes are exorbitant and confiscatory by the way. Montgomery County is a very expensive place to reside.
 
Here is another thing:

Northern VA is like MD mentally. However, it's STILL in VA.

VA has some goofy laws: One handgun every 30 days, unless you have a Concealed Handgun Permit.

You have to have a 3rd ID when buying an AR-15 as it's considered an "assault rifle". However, there's no registration.

No regulation on FTF sales, but you have to confirm that the buyer is a VA resident.

VA is a Shall Issue State. Permit is easy to get, and it's now recognized clear to FL. The only real barrier was SC, and that is changing.

VA is an Open Carry State.

Look us up at www.vcdl.org

Just out of curiosity, where are you looking to work? Silver Spring is PRICEY and if you go across the river into Arlington, or Alexandria (where I live), you still pay through the nose for stuff, but your 2nd Amendment rights are preserved.

Send me a PM if you want to get together. There are some nice shops in the area.
 
I just moved to NOVA last fall and still haven't found an outdoor range for rifle shooting. I picked VA over MD just because of gun rights. House prices are down from last fall so that should help you out in the move here.
 
"-must only transport firearms unloaded, including no loaded mags"

FYI - There is no Maryland statute that prohibits the transport of loaded magazines. A firearm may NOT be transported with a loaded magazine in place. The "A loaded mag is a loaded gun" is a cat-like urban myth, difficult to kill with all those lives.
Now, that being said, if anyone will cite a current statute, I'll take my crow stewed, with a side on mashed potatoes.
 
You are correct, when it comes to handguns transported according to the handgun statute, there is no mention about the magazines, it just says the handgun itself must be unloaded.
 
Stay the heck out of Maryland. They're working very hard to turn it into the People's Republik of Maryland. They love taxes there!
 
Not much new to add (largely a recap with a few additions):

MD is a strange state. Lots of conservative rural areas, but most of the political power is in liberal, urban Baltimore, liberal Howard County (one of the richest counties in America) and increasingly urban, insanely liberal, rich Montgomery County. We have some laws that make MD seem decent on guns: Class III friendly, no permits, long guns (with the exception of "assault rifles") are treated the same here as in the free states. We have other laws that are quite draconian (the transport law for instance). And others that are bad, but not much worse than even "pro-gun" VA (one a month law).

What to expect from our gun laws. One handgun a month unless you register as a collector. You will be able to bring most of what you have (maybe all of it) into the state, no registration. Any handguns or "assault rifles" you buy while here will be registered and you'll have a 7 day waiting period. You will need to watch a video to get a card that says you can buy handguns. Practically speaking no CCW, unless you own a business that deals with a lot of cash or have political connections. You can only transport your guns, cased and unloaded (a loaded mag or speedloader counts as a loaded gun) in your trunk, to and from the range (while there is controversy about whether you are allowed to stop for gas or a bathroom stop, you certainly can't stop to do shopping or leave your guns in the trunk overnight, or drive to your friend's house). You can't buy mags that hold more than 20 rounds, but you can bring them with you. The approved list and fired shell casing laws do limit the handguns you can buy somewhat, but not too badly. Long guns (other than "assault weapons") are cash and carry after the federal background check. We are actually fairly Class III friendly. Private sales of handguns are legal, but still subject to a 7 day waiting period and you both have to appear (twice) at a state police barracks with the gun for the background check and waiting period. Private sales of long guns are just like anywhere else in the free world.

Here are some things to consider:

Pro:
1) Proximity to DC means plenty of cultural activities.
2) Central MD is an affluent area which means lots of parks, lots of festivals of various types, cultural events and activities, museums, libraries, relatively good public schools, some of the best private schools in the nation, etc.
3) Many parts of the area are good places to raise kids
4) Central MD puts you about 2-3 hours from the mountains to the west and 2-3 hours from the ocean to the east. Take your pick
5) With the Chesapeake Bay, the Atlantic Ocean, and many streams and rivers we have some of the best fishing in the world.
6) No yearly "personal property tax" on your car like in VA
7) Good, clean and safe, public transportation in the DC area (through the adjoining counties) so you may be able to save some gas money and actually take the train to work
8) Diversity, there is truly something for everyone here
9) We have a very good group of shooters in the area

Cons:
1) Taxes, among the worst in the country
2) It is a VERY liberal area (not just on guns)
3) Some of the worst drivers in the country are in the Baltimore and DC areas
4) The DC area is regularly in the top 5 (and often higher) for worst traffic and longest commute times in the country
5) Real estate in the DC area (PG or Montgomery County) is high, but no more than other major metro areas (NYC, LA, Chicago, San Fran). If you don't mind a slightly longer commute you'll save a lot by moving to Columbia MD (Howard County) or Anne Arundel County.
6) While our gun laws could be worse, rest assured that the huge Democratic majority in the legislature and our Democratic governor are working very hard every year to see to it that they do get much worse (while gun owners have had some victories of late, every year a new Assault Weapons Ban, ammo restrictions, and other such bills must be fought tooth and nail).
 
Chaim:
Any handguns or "assault rifles" you buy while here will be registered and you'll have a 7 day waiting period.
MD does not register your handgun when you purchase it, they just record the purchase....like in Pennsylvania.
Registration is a seperate thing and it is voluntary here (except for machine guns where it is mandatory).

You can only transport your guns, cased and unloaded
By state law only handguns must be in an enclosed case or an enclosed holster. All long guns are not effected by the state handgun transport law.

(a loaded mag or speedloader counts as a loaded gun)
THat is a myth. Unfortunately some cops believe this myth and may arrest, but there is nothing in the law supporting this myth for handguns.

in your trunk, to and from the range
Once again this is a myth. The law clearly states you can have a handgun on your person carried or worn when transporting as long as it is unloaded and in an enclosed case or holster.

(while there is controversy about whether you are allowed to stop for gas or a bathroom stop, you certainly can't stop to do shopping or leave your guns in the trunk overnight, or drive to your friend's house).
This is a grey area, I agree, but it ONLY would apply to handguns and it would only apply to MD residents not transporting interstate by the federal law allowing interstate passage. For interstate travellers, they are allowed to stop apparently.


Other than that Chaim, you pretty much got it all right on the gun laws. However, I am not sure about having to show up twice at the MDSP barracks. I think, never having done it though, the last forms can be mailed in after the transfer is done after the seventh day. If the MDSP does not dissapprove the purchase by the end of the seven days, then it can proceed as I understand it.
 
Welcome to the area.

There are a lot of good places to around here. My top three favorites are:
PG County Trap & Skeet
Rockville IWLA
Damascus IWLA

If youd like to check out Rockville IWLA, PM me.
 
I hold my breath when travelling through MD. Sometimes the drive on 81 to Hershey Park is a real nail biter, even though I have my SP locked in a metal box in the trunk. Irritating.
 
MD does not register your handgun when you purchase it, they just record the purchase....like in Pennsylvania.
Registration is a seperate thing and it is voluntary here (except for machine guns where it is mandatory).
You may be right, it is the same form that they use for registration, and I was told before that they do register it, but I can't say for sure if the gun is registered upon purchase.

By state law only handguns must be in an enclosed case or an enclosed holster. All long guns are not effected by the state handgun transport law.
You are right that the laws regarding transport do specifically address handguns, and long guns may not be affected, but I wouldn't want to trust that MD police will know that and leave me alone they saw uncased guns in the trunk, or any guns in the back seat.

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(a loaded mag or speedloader counts as a loaded gun)
THat is a myth. Unfortunately some cops believe this myth and may arrest, but there is nothing in the law supporting this myth for handguns.

You may be right. I first heard this from a gunshop/range clerk. We all know they can have a lot of misinformation and I didn't trust that he was right, but didn't want to assume. I called the State Police who transferred me to the firearms division who told me that that is indeed how they interpret the law. You may be right that the police are wrong, but they will arrest based on their interpretation and I'd prefer to skip thousands of dollars in legal fees (and the whims of the legal system which can be strange sometimes).

quote: in your trunk, to and from the range
Once again this is a myth. The law clearly states you can have a handgun on your person carried or worn when transporting as long as it is unloaded and in an enclosed case or holster.
I've read the law. I suspect that the carry part is in your hand to and from the car. In fact, elsewhere in the statute, when they mean carry as most here on THR know it, they say "wear" and nowhere in the Maryland Annotated Code, Criminal Law, Title 4, Section 203 does it say wear for people transporting a gun. Additionally, the legal system uses precedents in addition to the raw text to determine what a law does and does not allow. I have heard the interpretation that the gun must be in the trunk and locked up, and not just by those of us here on the gun forums (I have a couple good friends who are lawyers and they agree, as did the State Police when, when I first got into guns, I asked how I can legally transport my guns). Before assuming I could transport it any other way I'd want to check with a lawyer who specializes in MD firearms law.

I am not sure about having to show up twice at the MDSP barracks.
It has been several years since my one private sale. If my memory serves, when the form was returned in the mail, we did sign the form at the State Police Barracks and hand deliver it. It is possible I remember wrong. Maybe Spot77 remembers for sure (it was when he bought my CZ 40B).
 
Chaim:
You may be right, it is the same form that they use for registration, and I was told before that they do register it, but I can't say for sure if the gun is registered upon purchase.
MD has voluntary registration, but if you do not volunteer to register a new pistol, the MdSP will disapprove your purchase. No FtF sales of handguns or 'assault rifles' so every pistol bought or sold within the state is recorded at the MdSP Licensing Division.

Kharn
 
I've read the law. I suspect that the carry part is in your hand to and from the car. In fact, elsewhere in the statute, when they mean carry as most here on THR know it, they say "wear" and nowhere in the Maryland Annotated Code, Criminal Law, Title 4, Section 203 does it say wear for people transporting a gun. Additionally, the legal system uses precedents in addition to the raw text to determine what a law does and does not allow. I have heard the interpretation that the gun must be in the trunk and locked up, and not just by those of us here on the gun forums (I have a couple good friends who are lawyers and they agree, as did the State Police when, when I first got into guns, I asked how I can legally transport my guns). Before assuming I could transport it any other way I'd want to check with a lawyer who specializes in MD firearms law.
When the statute says "wearing" it does not say the word only applies to when not transporting and I can prove where it applies to transporting too by a simple Occam's razor statement.....


......where do you have the handgun when transporting on a horse, bicycle or a motorcycle?

If you can wear the handgun on a horse when transporting, then you can wear it for all types of transport because the statute does not mention types of transport and so it would apply the same to all.
The "interpretatios" only can be right if one ignores the horse/bike scenario, ignores the statute does not seperate transport from the "carrying on the person", and if they add language that is not in the statute.
...judges don't like it when people add language to a criminal law statute from what I hear.

Also of import, it does not define "transporting". If a state trooper thought that I could not tranpsort my handgun to the range or for hunting by foot and I can only transport by vehicle, then I am sure a judge would laugh at him. So once again, if the statute says I can wear my handgun while transporting one way, then I can for all ways of transport and that includes when in or on a vehicle.

It has been several years since my one private sale. If my memory serves, when the form was returned in the mail, we did sign the form at the State Police Barracks and hand deliver it. It is possible I remember wrong. Maybe Spot77 remembers for sure (it was when he bought my CZ 40B).
I am sure Spot would know more about it. I think he said he has done it more than once.
 
MD has voluntary registration, but if you do not volunteer to register a new pistol, the MdSP will disapprove your purchase.
That is another myth.

There is nothing in the law that says you have to check that box or that the MDSP can disapprove your application if you do not register it. I mean why would they demand you register it anyway? There is already a law saying the transfer is to be recorded at the MDSP barracks. Registration would demand you notify them when you move or disposses the firearm and so MD does not have mandatory registration in any form for handguns.
 
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