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Handled the new Kahr .380 yesterday

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow, Jul 19, 2008.

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  1. Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow

    Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow member

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    Yep it's tiny all right. Looks cool. It's apparently a straight blowback. Should sell for around $600 something. Feels and looks higher quality than the KelTec or Ruger, as would be expected. Like a miniature PM9. Can't say for sure I'll get one, but I'm considering it. Don't think they're actually "out" yet though - this was a manuf.'ers demo table.
     
  2. jocko

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    nope, it's a locked breech, just like the PM9. great gun , seen it also, Looks like late september now .
     
  3. pocketgun

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    Now if they would just come out with a double-stack version of the P-40!

    That would be quite a 3 gun CCW threat/convenience combo: P-380, PM-9, and the DS P-40 (that exists only in my imagination).

    It should be a very nice albeit expensive little pocket pistol. Give them a year to work the bugs out, or be patient if you are an "early adopter".
     
  4. jlh26oo

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    Not sure a double stack Kahr would be much thinner than other D.S. polymer subcompact frames (I.E. Walther, X.D., GLOCK etc), so it would kind of defeat their whole thinnest angle. But then again I wish more Kahrs were offered in steel, and I get told that defeats their lightest angle, so more power to you P.G. and your hope for a D.S. P40 (and my K45 and K380)!
     
  5. legion3

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    :uhoh:
     
  6. JERRY

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    $600.00?!

    should sell as few as the Rorbaughr(sp?) 9mm.

    then again the Seecamp .380 has a following for a little more than $700.00 per gun.
     
  7. jlh26oo

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    retail does not = street price

    The P380's M.S.R.P. is $650, so it will sell for well under $600.
     
  8. JERRY

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    baes on Kahr's record, i'd prefer this gun's frame/receiver be made of stainless steel instead of polymer.
     
  9. legion3

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    MSRP on the Ruger LCP is $330 and they are selling for both more (sometimes way more) and sometimes less. But the general going rate is $300.

    The Kahr 380 will be priced high. Both on the street, on gunbroker and in most shops. I doubt well under $600 but even $500 seems high for a 380 pocket gun.

    I love my LCP and for $280 OTD w/ a spare mag it was a heck of a deal, but...

    I would not get the LCP for $400, the Kahr would also be awfully high at $400.
    To each their own but in the current economy I can't afford to spend everywhere I would like and must be selective.
     
  10. 357wheelgunner

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    What is the point of a .380 with the same dimensions as a 9mm?

    The only advantage of the .380 would be to avoid the punishing, hand wrecking recoil of the mighty 9mm...
     
  11. pocketgun

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    It is a significant bit smaller than the PM9, not the same size. (P380 = 4.9"x3.9"x0.75" 10 oz vs PM9 = 5.3"x4.0"x0.90" 14 oz)

    Unfortunately, I find the small pistols are the ones that get carried the most often. That means my life is potentially being protected by one most of the time. Therefore, if I were sold on the design, an extra $250 or so isn't going to stop me.

    By the time my carry decision ramps up toward a full time belt-carried pistol, the thinness angle makes little difference to me. 6+1 doesn't satisfy my capacity craving, especially when I can carry my Kel-Tec P-40 (9+1) or a Glock 27 (9+1) with no difference in convenience.

    I would carry the PM9 both IWB and in a pocket (two different holsters) depending on my clothing and the situation, so the thinnest angle is important on that one and on the P380 for obvious reasons.

    I am not saying to get rid of the P40 SS, just to add a DS model to the lineup. That way one would have common controls, sights, and triggers on all carry pistols. Shooting one at the range would be like cross-training for the other two - I like that.
     
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    somewhere, I seem to remember talking to an inside kahr person, who just winked at me when I mentioned a double stack 9mm. Their forte is the small ccw guns no doubt but many people carry IWB and OWB alot so a double stack would fill a void for kahr. as for the 380 kahr not being cheap in price. don't compare it to the lcp or kt 380, both good guns but the kahr just offers so much more that could never be done in the $300 price range or even close to it. It's got to work perfect though or at any price, it will not be acceptable.
    I carry my pm9 front pocket 24/7 weight and size for me anyhow is perfect..oh and it goes bang every time to.
     
  13. pocketgun

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    Good inside info on the Kahrs - thanks. I see you get what I am saying as far as the niche the double stack would fill: a second or third gun for the carry battery.

    Glad to hear your PM9 is working out for you - you deserved some good gun karma jocko. :)
     
  14. gtmtnbiker98

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    No thanks, I'll pass. I've already been burned by one of their PM45s, no more Kahr for me.
     
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    "$600.00?!

    should sell as few as the Rorbaughr"
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    They sell them as fast as they can make them. Every manufacturer should be so successful.

    John
     
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    As does Seecamp with their pricey .380s.

    I have had great luck with both my PM9 and my P45 and hope to get a look at one of these soon--maybe I don't need an LCP after all. :)
     
  17. Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow

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    There would not be a point to that. But this gun is significantly smaller. It's a true pocket pistol. But I agree with the person who said they'd prefer it in steel frame - so would I.

    Locked breach you say? Hmmm, I guess I didn't examine it close enough. I was talking to the rep while looking. Coulda sworn the barrel was stationary - well ok - oops, sorry for the misinformation.
     
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    "It is a significant bit smaller than the PM9, not the same size.
    (P380 = 4.9"x3.9"x0.75" 10 oz vs PM9 = 5.3"x4.0"x0.90" 14 oz)"

    Made me look up the Rohrbaugh specs.

    5.2" x 3.7" x .812"

    Interesting
     
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    I'll certainly take a look at it when it finally hits the stores, but it's going to have to have some discernable difference or quality to woo me away from my current pocket gun.
     
  20. legion3

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    What would this be to command this price?
     
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    A better trigger and reliability is the implied difference. Whether it will or not is the question.
     
  22. cowssurf

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    Jocko said: "Don't compare it to the lcp or kt 380, both good guns but the kahr just offers so much more that could never be done in the $300 price range or even close to it. It's got to work perfect though or at any price, it will not be acceptable."

    I'd like to know what more it will offer that would be "so much more" than the LCP or P3AT. Will it be a smart phone? Will it have GPS? Seriously, what will this so much more be? Will it be smaller? Will it hold more rounds of .380 ammo than the Kel-Tec or Ruger? Will it make the .380 bullet fly out of it faster than it would from a Kel-Tec or Ruger?

    It will cost twice as much as a Kel-Tec or Ruger, so it should be twice as good, right?

    My LCP is in AZ being fixed right now. I hope it works perfectly when I get it back. If it doesn't, I'll get refunded. But I haven't given up on it yet. Too many people have had no problems. People with the Kel-Tec had their share of problems, but things seem to have been ironed out. I thought the LCP would be ten times better than the P3AT. I'm willing to eat crow now. I'm starting to think, that at that tiny size, guns just are touchier, and it takes more for all customers to get a reliable one.

    Of course, if all new Kahr .380s are perfectly reliable then it's worth it, right? I'm not so sure. I'd rather buy two LCPs. Odds are, one would be reliable (I don't think half of all new LCPs are unreliable, not positive, but just guessing). And if the other wasn't, I'd eventually get my refund, and be $300 richer. Of course, thats assuming the new Kahrs are 100 percent reliable. Jocko admits the possibility they may not be: "It's got to work perfect though or at any price, it will not be acceptable." Of course, this possibility didn't preclude this statement that contains no doubt from the author: "The kahr just offers so much more that could never be done in the $300 price range."

    So again, I ask, what is it that the Kahr currently offers, that would qualify as so much more than the LCP or P3AT? Hopefully, it would be double the reliability, since it is double the price. We'll have to wait and see. But I'm still holding out for the GPS on it.
     
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    Allow me to answer hypothetically.

    The Keltec is popular but has a certain reputation. It was "refined" so to speak by the Ruger and this caused great numbers of people to flock to shops to buy. It cost a little more, but most folks were more than happy to fork over some extra money for ...what... anticipated increased reliability.

    Now Kahr has entered the tiny .380 field and the Kahr crowd is anticipating a quantum jump in reliability. After reading the hosts of posts about busted LCPs, a quantum jump may not be that hard to attain.

    Now, just to carry this a little further... hypothetically, lets say HK announces the 10 ounce, pocket size HK380. Typically it would be expensive, say $800. There are many, many people that would purchase one because they would expect rock solid HK reliability. "But NOBODY would pay $800 for a pocket .380" many would think.

    Of course we know that isn't true. Reliability IS what people pay for and do as witnessed by the year long wait for a Seecamp .380. People are anticipating the Kahr because it promises to be what the Keltec and Ruger are not, and reasonable people know that comes at a price and in this case the price is lower than the $800 Seecamp.

    Only time will tell if the price to value matches.
     
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    Only time will tell if the price to value matches. --usp9

    And that's the crux.

    And by the way, the Kahr currently offers nothing at all in the .380.
     
  25. legion3

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    My LCP is flawless and reliable (850 rounds down range) 9 different types of ammo. YMMV

    Kahr would have to be really really better and much more refined to command a $500 and up price tag. IMHO
     
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