johndeeere1979
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i have heard from a few sources that is not a very good idea. Does anyone have any imput on this.
Handloading CCW Ammo
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Correct.
Reason is, when it comes to the trail, the DA or relatives could claim, that you made specially "bad" ammo, only because you always wanted to kill someone!
If you use the same ammo as the police, you would have not have that battle, since the police can't do possible something bad, right!
Reason is, when it comes to the trail, the DA or relatives could claim, that you made specially "bad" ammo, only because you always wanted to kill someone!
If you use the same ammo as the police, you would have not have that battle, since the police can't do possible something bad, right!
That's most preposterous thing I have ever heard. If you use a gun in self defense whether you were using reloads or factory is going to be the least of your problems, period. Even if you get it ruled as a clean shoot in the criminal courts it doesn't mean that you can't be tried in a civil court! If you pack and you're worried about the ammo here is a list of a few other things you can worry about:
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Brillo
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I agree with Idano. This subject covered ad nauseam elsewhere in this forum has grown to urban legend proportions. It has no merit. Any attorney who couldn’t run circles around such and proposition shouldn’t be practicing law. If you have a good reason for constructing your own pp ammo, go for it with impunity.
I carry handloads. Why, I'm a cheap bast*rd. And I'll be happy to tell them that while I am carefully describing the way my life was threatened and I felt that I was in immanent danger of being killed myself.
If you are justified in shooting, you can shoot a cannon at them and still be justified.
If you are justified in shooting, you can shoot a cannon at them and still be justified.
telecaster1981
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I'm with Idano on this one. I worry about functionality first and lawyers last. All of the 9x18 Makarov that I shoot and carry in my Polish P64 are handloads. I use Starline Brass topped with Sierra or Hornady XTP bullets. The only difference between my handloads and 'accepted' personal defense loads (i.e. Cor-Bon or Hornady TAP) is that mine are DOWNLOADED due to exceptionally sharp recoil. If anything, my loads are less 'evil' than any factory load and any attorney I hire will be able to demonstrate that to a jury.
MaterDei
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I've heard a bunch of talk about lawyers latching on to the 'handloaded' rounds but I've yet to see any evidence that somebody has been convicted based on this argument.
Brillo
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Most folks aren't going to avail themselves of a machine gun as a personal protection firearm, but if that's all you have at your disposal to protect your family and yourself, then you use it.
Samuel Adams
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As the old saying goes...
"It's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6."
"It's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6."
R.W.Dale
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It's stupid, and is akin to saying that if you use a knife for self defense you shouldn't sharpen it yourself only use the factory edge. Cause if some Stalinist DA catches wind that you made the knife more deadly by sharpening it you could get the chair.
In Florida, the law is that if you fire a gun at a human being, then you intended to kill him. The only question is whether or not the shooting was justified. The law doesn't care if it was an "extra" deadly round. If it was fired at a person, it was meant to kill, period. Thankfully we have a great self defense statute and civil shield.
LiquidTension
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I've never seen any actual court transcripts that mention handloads in a self-defense shooting. The media may latch on to such detail in order to make you look bad, but in court it really isn't going to matter.
Having been in the court room for more criminal proceedings than I can count, it just isn't an issue.
Having been in the court room for more criminal proceedings than I can count, it just isn't an issue.
SilverState
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Are handloads going to be problem if you end up shooting someone? Maybe. Can anyone prove it will be a problem? No. Can anyone disprove that it will be a problem? No. If you are one of those people who like to do things that others warn against just to show them they are wrong, then carry the handloads and see if it becomes an issue in criminal and/or civil court. If you are one of those people who prefers the safer course of action even if it is not required, then carry what the police carry.
None of the people on this board will be there to help you if you end up having a problem after a shooting.
None of the people on this board will be there to help you if you end up having a problem after a shooting.
I can't imagine that this will be an issue in anything but an extreme case. A bullet is a bullet. Most of us load some type of JHP or lead bullet. Some even use hardball. So do the police. I want an accurate and dependable CCW round that I can practice with without my pistol going "Cha-ching" everytime I touch off a round. I can load the Hornady XTP bullets an awful lot cheaper than I can buy them for.
Extra deadly round? I would have a field day with that argument.
Extra deadly round? I would have a field day with that argument.
cpttango30
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I will stay with factory ammo. just to be on the tin foil hat paranoid side of things.
I wish, just once, those who state the legal problems that can arise from using hand loads would cite an actual legal case.
This "issue" has been trumpeted by a well known gun writer. Let us not forget that he is in the business of getting his articles published and his seminars filled. Nothing wrong with that. But, caveat emptor.
This "issue" has been trumpeted by a well known gun writer. Let us not forget that he is in the business of getting his articles published and his seminars filled. Nothing wrong with that. But, caveat emptor.
nitesite
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A bit presumptive on your part, don't you think? Why is it safer?
A general comment not directed at SilverState:
I "load my own" for two of the CCW sidearms I occasionally carry.
For my snub-nose, I load a hard cast 148-gr DEWC standard velocity .38 Special. It's definitely not an amped-up design, what with the fact that it has no nasssssty hollow point and is going slower than most modern hollow point ammunition found today. Hardly the kind of ammo anyone should get in a tizz about.
I usually carry factory ammo for defense in semi auto's. The main reason is I can't hand load anything better and more reliable than the police surplus and other premium ammo that's out there. I hand load equivalent ammo for practice except perhaps some of the +p+ stuff.
Now if someone kicks the door down to the house there's a 50/50 chance they'll get shot with reloaded ammo from a revolver. My .41 magnums have had less than 20 rounds of factory through them in 20 years.
Now if someone kicks the door down to the house there's a 50/50 chance they'll get shot with reloaded ammo from a revolver. My .41 magnums have had less than 20 rounds of factory through them in 20 years.
shooting on a shoestring
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I don't carry rounds assembled by a chinese machine being watched over by a used to be burger flipper.
Every one of my carry loads is assembled by me, taking QA/QC to the hilt, every case inspected, trimmed, deprimed, cleaned, inspected, full length sized, primed, inspected, every charge of Blue Dot weighed, 158 gr Gold Dot, seated, inspected, properly stored, transported, carried and fired with the group on the target being inspected. They all work as designed - very well.
If I have to generate deadly force against an attacker, I will do it and assume full responsiblity for my actions and decisions from what components and weapon to use, right up to choosing the point of aim, bullet placement, timing, and bullet stop.
In the aftermath will I be sued? Probably. Will I win the suit? When anything goes before a jury, its a 50/50.
Every one of my carry loads is assembled by me, taking QA/QC to the hilt, every case inspected, trimmed, deprimed, cleaned, inspected, full length sized, primed, inspected, every charge of Blue Dot weighed, 158 gr Gold Dot, seated, inspected, properly stored, transported, carried and fired with the group on the target being inspected. They all work as designed - very well.
If I have to generate deadly force against an attacker, I will do it and assume full responsiblity for my actions and decisions from what components and weapon to use, right up to choosing the point of aim, bullet placement, timing, and bullet stop.
In the aftermath will I be sued? Probably. Will I win the suit? When anything goes before a jury, its a 50/50.
Mr.Revolverguy
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I will see if my sister can help us out. She has pointed out to me a number of cases in different states where lawyers has latched on to - well he or she had more of an intent to kill because store purchased ammo was not good enough. One of the cases was a prosecuting attorney for the county where the cops ruled a good shoot but he decided to press charges when it was said handloads were used. The other 2 cases were civil suit cases. One case the lawyer even had the hand loads chrono'd against the factory and the handloads which was 357magnum was way hotter. He pointed out how it proved the shooter intended to kill and was even recklace by using his own handloads because it could have and did over penetrate but the round did not hit anyone else, the round lodged in the brick wall of a business. My sister is a lawyer and her office has a subscription to one of the biggest law databases of cases in the world and this is where she pulled the info from http://www.lexisnexis.com/
I will ask her if it is against the rules of their contract to share this info here.
As many has said there are many other things to worry about and I to agree it is better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. That being the case though if I was ever put in the situation as a civilian to have to use then I want as many things on my side as possible.
I will ask her if it is against the rules of their contract to share this info here.
As many has said there are many other things to worry about and I to agree it is better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. That being the case though if I was ever put in the situation as a civilian to have to use then I want as many things on my side as possible.
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