Molon Labe
Member
Actually, the big loser is us. For implying that a Supreme Court justice is somehow important to the existence of our inalienable rights (or practice thereof).GEM said:
Last edited:
Harry Miers Withdraws!
- Thread starter El Tejon
- Start date
- Status
Headless Thompson Gunner
Member
Demonstrable proof that the conservatives still hold sway in this country. The President still reacts to his base.
Miers was pulled because the conservatives didn't like her. Liberal opposition doesn't stop this administration, but conservative opposition still can.
Let's turn up the heat. Get J R Brown appointed. Put some armed guards onthe southern border. Shrink the budget.
WE HAVE MUSCLE!! LET'S USE IT!!!
Miers was pulled because the conservatives didn't like her. Liberal opposition doesn't stop this administration, but conservative opposition still can.
Let's turn up the heat. Get J R Brown appointed. Put some armed guards onthe southern border. Shrink the budget.
WE HAVE MUSCLE!! LET'S USE IT!!!
longeyes
member
Lutting, Brown, Jones...or Gonsalez...?
I guess we will soon know if we are dealing with a President or King Ludwig II.
I guess we will soon know if we are dealing with a President or King Ludwig II.
dasmi
Member
Alright, Mr. President, let's try this again...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janice_Rogers_Brown
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janice_Rogers_Brown
Mr. James
Member
I'm still gobsmacked that a president who could advance judges like Luttig and Rogers Brown could turn around and nominate Mzzz Miers.
Good riddance is right.
And the correct answer is America won.
Good riddance is right.
And the correct answer is America won.
HankB
Member
I hope that's the case.
And I hope it (conservative opposition) materializes on issues like illegal aliens and insanely reckless spending as well.
I don't drink the kool-aid for anyone. Just because I voted for the man does not mean I give him carte-blanc to do ANY stupid thing he wants for the next four years. We elect an executive, not a dictator, despite what some might think (including Bush, apparently
).bg
Member
Be careful for what you wish for..Mr.Bush may point at Gonzalez...
Father Knows Best:
When you are hanging off the tip of the left wing, everyone not on your wing looks like they are on the far side.
Also, I do not include the abortion issue anywhere in my political definition if that helps you see what I mean.
Let me tell you, if you joined the Republican Party, you would be labeled "Right Wing Conservative" immediately. If you are not a big govt moderate or a Liberal (big L), you are automatically a "Right Wing Conservative". That is the nature of the left-leaning media and BS political labels these days.
When you are hanging off the tip of the left wing, everyone not on your wing looks like they are on the far side.
Also, I do not include the abortion issue anywhere in my political definition if that helps you see what I mean.
HankB
Member
And if Dubya thinks there was opposition from conservatives on Miers, just wait to see what happens if he nominates Alberto. (The opposition to liberal or unknown appointees is already formed . . . ready to go if another "questionable" nominee is sent up.)
I'm calling he'll nominate Gonzalez, because he "knows" him. Bush might even say he "knows his heart." Then he'll appoint Meirs to the be his Attorney General. Folks, I think that is all he's got. I'm not sure that he would know who else to nominate otherwise.
Bush has been doing some things that make me worry about his mental health. He seems to back out of things, just when he seems to be supporting them the most. I can't name specifics out of the top of my head, but he seems to back out so much, and always ends up with egg on his face. Classic example was the "Heck of job, Brownie" incident, only to see Brownie canned the next day. Now Miers. It's like he's not getting the memo's.
I don't know, maybe someone here can come up with more examples, but it seems like there is a huge pattern for backing out in this administration(once I think of some, I'll edit and add some examples). Big words, lots of strutting, but tucks tail completely and unapologetically if he is pushed enough .
Now I just saw a story in the news about how the white house was upset at The Onion, a silly college satire newspaper, because it is making fun of Bush! GIVE ME A BREAK! They write comedy. Now that little white house comment will give the Onion a international audience for free. In defense of the Onion, their article was funny, I could see it hurting somebody's feelings. The headline was: Bush to Appoint Someone to Be in Charge of Country (or something like that). The title was funnier than the article itself though.
Anyway, enough ranting. There are no conspiracies going on here, Meirs wasnt a throw away, this isn't to divert attention from any possible indictment for Cheney and friends... in my opinion we are witnessing a presidency and maybe a president completely unravelling.
Bush has been doing some things that make me worry about his mental health. He seems to back out of things, just when he seems to be supporting them the most. I can't name specifics out of the top of my head, but he seems to back out so much, and always ends up with egg on his face. Classic example was the "Heck of job, Brownie" incident, only to see Brownie canned the next day. Now Miers. It's like he's not getting the memo's.
I don't know, maybe someone here can come up with more examples, but it seems like there is a huge pattern for backing out in this administration(once I think of some, I'll edit and add some examples). Big words, lots of strutting, but tucks tail completely and unapologetically if he is pushed enough .
Now I just saw a story in the news about how the white house was upset at The Onion, a silly college satire newspaper, because it is making fun of Bush! GIVE ME A BREAK! They write comedy. Now that little white house comment will give the Onion a international audience for free. In defense of the Onion, their article was funny, I could see it hurting somebody's feelings. The headline was: Bush to Appoint Someone to Be in Charge of Country (or something like that). The title was funnier than the article itself though.
Anyway, enough ranting. There are no conspiracies going on here, Meirs wasnt a throw away, this isn't to divert attention from any possible indictment for Cheney and friends... in my opinion we are witnessing a presidency and maybe a president completely unravelling.
Headless Thompson Gunner
Member
Not a chance. Miers is out because Bush's conservative base didn't like her. He'll have to fight the liberals no matter who he chooses. But his suppoerters will either fight for him or fight against him, depending on the nominee. He can't get a nominee confirmed with both left and right against him. But he picks somebody we like then he'll have a fighting chance.cgjunk2 said:
It'll be interesting to see who he nominates. But I'll wager that it will be someone with a strong strict constructionist record, not a Gonzalez. Anyone wanna bet against that?
spartacus2002
Member
Gonzalez might get nominated, but I doubt he would get approved. Miers had no previous base lined up against any issue she represented. Gonzalez already has the anti-illegal-immigration base against him.
Headless Thompson Gunner said:
If Bush would have analysed the situation the first time as you just did , then he would have never nominated Meirs to begin with. Before he nominated Meirs, he had time, and he knew all along he would have to nominate someone. He had the option of thinking it through, considering his options, seeking counsel, etc. Now he is on his heels, defensive, and he might be reactionary. He may turn towards friends. Frankly, I just don't think Bush is analysing this as much as we are.
But, being on his heels, he could maybe just fold quickly to the demands of the far right.
spartacus2002
Member
cgjunk2 said:
Am I the only person terrified that the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, along with all his advisors and buddies, had neither the intelligence, wisdom, or guts to nominate anyone other than MIERS, his pet lawyer, solely on the basis that she was his pet lawyer?????
Even if it was a plan of "let's nominate Miers, she withdraws, we nominate someone else, that someone else is accepted with a sigh of relief because simply because he/she is NOT Miers," that is one weak-ass plan (apologies to Art's Grammaw). This is the United States of America, not a fraternity.
fourays2
Member
if he does that after the b*tch slapping he just got then he may be as much of an idiot as the liberals say he is.cgjunk2 said:
spartacus2002 said:
It scary yes, but I think large organizations like the US government are very resilient to problems like these. That is partly what makes thinks so difficult to get done in good times. In bad times, the organization will protect itself, there are enough stopgaps, procedures, and good people to have things hold together in the absence of leadership. Of course, this can't go on forever because it will start to decay, but it can hold out a while I would think. That is what the other branches of .gov are there for in a sense.
Kinda like my boss. A pretty incompetent person who tends to make things worse with just about every decision she makes. But she has got enough good people in her organization that will pretty much make things work OK despite her decisions. This doesn't mean that anything new, cutting edge, or creative comes out of the organization, but it does do its job.
Standing Wolf
Member in memoriam
It'll probably be a few years before the historians figure out whether Bush blew it sky-high or chose Miers as a throw-away candidate.
In any event, she's withdrawn, and that's all to the good, from my perspective.
In any event, she's withdrawn, and that's all to the good, from my perspective.
spartacus2002 said:
No, you're not alone. I don't think it'll be Gonzales. He'll follow the lead he took with Ben Bernanke for the Fed. He'll choose someone safe and sure to be confirmed. I doubt it'll be one of the solid conservatives already mentioned. It's clear from this debacle he's not willing to fight, they dropped Miers when the pot got warm. It hadn't even started to get hot.
Headless Thompson Gunner
Member
There are 101 sound reasons why Bush might have picked Miers. Not the least of which is "I've known her for years, and I know I can trust her to do the right thing." Or perhaps "She's not one of those Washington-insider-career-judges that have done such a disservice to the country." If you can't think of any others, then perhaps you need to send your imagination in for warranty work.spartacus2002 said:
But the fact that YOU didn't kow his reasons doesn't mean he didn't have any. Nor does it mean his reasons are automaticaly evil, sinister, or stupid. It only means that you didn't know what was really going on. (But that's okay, none of us did. And that was the trouble, we wanted to know for ourselves.)
In any event, the game isn't over yet. Not by a long shot. Bush is sneaky. He always looks incompetent while fighting these battles. Yet, when you look back on things after the fact, you realize he always gets just what he wanted.
Time will tell.
Nehemiah Scudder
Member
- Joined
- Dec 16, 2004
- Messages
- 391
And what he wants now is some payback.
It's Gonzales, I think.
It's Gonzales, I think.
scout26
Member
fourays2 said:
Luckily my senators :banghead: (Durbin) and
(Obama) will already be in oppostition. Heck, they already are in opposition and there is no nomineeHeadless Thompson Gunner nailed it.
Not bad for a guy with no head.
And it won't be Gonzales.....
Janice Rogers Brown will be it. She'll bring out the hypocracy of the Left.
Waitone
Member
What I find so interesting is Bush's choice of Miers was made in part to avoid a showdown fight with Democrats. Miers was unknown to Bush's base and the Democrats were happy with the choice (which is precisely why my spider senses twitched). Roberts was a snooker on the Democrats so everyone was expecting the next nominee to be The One.
Bush successfully avoided the fight with Miers but strangely enough his base slap 'm around and told him to get back into the fight. I sensed resentment against Bush because there would be no fight, the fight conservatives have looked forward to for 30+ years. Well now it looks like the fight is on. Only time will tell if Bush successfully ducks out again. I don't think he has a choice any more. I think his base just notified him that his remaining years are expendable if he guesses wrong, again.
Bush successfully avoided the fight with Miers but strangely enough his base slap 'm around and told him to get back into the fight. I sensed resentment against Bush because there would be no fight, the fight conservatives have looked forward to for 30+ years. Well now it looks like the fight is on. Only time will tell if Bush successfully ducks out again. I don't think he has a choice any more. I think his base just notified him that his remaining years are expendable if he guesses wrong, again.
- Status