Has Leupold went downhill?

I have:

(4) Leupold VXII scopes

(1) VX Freedom

(1) VX3-HD

All are excellent scopes. In fact I have owned Leupolds for so many years that I wouldn't even consider buying a different brand.

I kind of agree with this. My other scopes were the Weaver[Japan made] 1-3x20, fixed 4x and 3-9x38, which I still have. Excellent scopes. There's damn good glass out there. It's up to you to choose what works for you.
 
When you look at the bottom of the barrel budget stuff offered by any manufacturer of any product, you probably won’t be as impressed as if you were to look at their top of the line products. Then again their goal is to be able to sell stuff to those than can’t or won’t pay for their best products, not offer the same thing for a fraction of the price.
Since the freedom replaced the VX1 which was bottom of the barrel and the VX2 which I thought was way better than the 1 I figure they would have done something along the lines of a vx2 but it appears they are on par with VX1.
 
It was my understanding that the Freedom line would be on par with VX2 glass at the VX1 price. If I remember right the Freedom line rolled out about the same time with the HD glass in the upper Leupold optics, I'm assuming with their HD glass it started shoving their older technology down into more of the economy scopes. If that makes sense.

I don't have a VX2 to compare my one Freedom scope to, but for the price I cannot complain with the quality of the Freedom scope, I'm using it on a rimfire.
 
I have a couple VX-Freedoms, and a few older Leupolds. Based on where they are in the lineup I think they are as good or better than what they are replacing. Sure a VX3 is better but it should be. The Freedoms IMO are much better to my eye that the entry level Vortex Diamondbacks and such.

All that said I'm not sure I'd take a perfectly working scope and replace it unless you have a reason to do so. Is the Nikon working or is something about it where you want better ? Wasn't the Pro-Staff line the entry level line of Nikon ? I would think the Freedoms would have better glass and be as good or better overall.

-Jeff
Not a BDC fan and the Nikons seem to have this black shadow I can see the inside of the scope
Where I cannot see this with the VX2
 
I think from my limited experience that Leupold is still a good scope with a good warranty. But, why remove the Nikons? They may out last you? What is trying to be achieved? I bought several Nikons on closeout and they are fine scopes for the money and screw the warranty. At the prices I got them, if they ever break (and that is a big if) I will replace them with a Leupold or Burris.
Not a fan of the BDC as the bottom circle is pretty much touching the crosshair. I also have this weird shadow inside where I can see the walls and threads.
 
Lamenting Leupold going down hill when you’re looking at their bottom of the hill product line?

Come on man.

Want more quality and features? Climb the hill a bit and you’ll find it in one of their other offerings. They make good optics.
Just compared to what they replaced is all.
 
Only ever owned Leupolds.Was sad to see VX-R discontinued they are my favorite hunting scope.Have a VX-R 3-9x40 firedot 4 reticle scope on my 7mm-08,TC Encore muzzleloader and my Savage 212 slug gun.Standardizing on all hunting guns make season transition sooooo easy.
 
Ive never seen as well thru leupolds as i have most other brands of optics in their price range, but ive had quite a few of them.
Honestly i think the VX-F is optically better than the vx-1 and indistinguishable from the VX-2....smokes the vari-xs. Mechanicals while functional are still set and forget imo.
I also think the VX-3HD is worth the extra cash for the adjustments if nothing else.
 
Ive never seen as well thru leupolds as i have most other brands of optics in their price range

I bite my tongue in most Leupold praising threads, but this has been my experience as well. Resolution and brightness have never impressed me in Leupolds compared to a handful of other brands in their price point.

The VX2 wasn’t a terribly impressive optic, and the VX-F largely took over its glass quality.

That said, I’ve never found any Nikon riflescope of any price point to be very good. Every model I’ve used had odd color science (super weird, since I love their color rendering in their digital cameras, but I think they faked brightness/transmissivity with selective blue & yellow filtering), and almost all of them have had terrible edge lensing at high magnification. From the Prostaff to the Buckmasters and Monarchs, and the FX-Blacks. Nikon models also typically had VERY small adjustment capacities for their price points, tube sizes, and magnification. The ProStaff was also their lowest class model line - meaning the bar wasn’t set very high.

Not to mention, Nikon had a long history of anti-hunting political contribution and even advertising. They ran adds in the 1990’s touting “shoot photos, not bullets,” to pander to their left-leaning camera consumer market.

So yeah… if I had a bunch of Nikons sitting around, I wouldn’t mind replacing them, and doing so with decent Leupolds wouldn’t be the worst choice I could make.
 
The light gathering capability of the Freedom scope is outstanding. Now Nikon had very good, rugged scopes, but they quit the scope business before the Freedom.
Nikon claimed they couldn't compete with the newer scopes. At that time Vortex was the new scope on the market. If that is the case, cheaper Vortex scopes are junk and so are their warranty compared to Nikon. Too bad Nixon left the market.
 
The light gathering capability of the Freedom scope is outstanding. Now Nikon had very good, rugged scopes, but they quit the scope business before the Freedom.
Nikon claimed they couldn't compete with the newer scopes. At that time Vortex was the new scope on the market. If that is the case, cheaper Vortex scopes are junk and so are their warranty compared to Nikon. Too bad Nixon left the market.

Almost none of the opinion in this makes any sense, and most is easily disproven. Specifically, Nikon’s customer service was highly restrictive compared to Vortex’s. Not making any claim that Vortex’s low end scopes are anything but low end, but taking shots at their customer service and saying Nikon’s provenance based, no-negligence, limited warranty was better than Vortex’s turnstile type customer support is absolutely laughable.

Believing Nikon couldn’t compete is also pretty funny. They took a shot with the FX-black line, realized they still weren’t selling because customers expected better performance, AND they started getting more and more pressure from their left-leaning photography customers to get out of riflescopes - after it became apparent abandoning their hunting lines and trying to keep sport shooting lines open - so they took the opportunity to bail on riflescopes altogether.

They were largely an anti-gun and anti-hunting organization for a long time. Guys bought their scopes thinking they were getting the same great glass found in their photography lenses… often not. The other consequences of limited elevation adjustment, lensing edge effects, and lacking market-relevant features were a result of their lack of interest to invest in the market opportunity, not because they “weren’t able to compete.”
 
I think the view clarity and crispness of a scope is in the eye of the beholder. I will buy a rifle or handgun online but not a rifle scope. There is a Cabela's about an hour from home on the way to work. They won't take a trigger lock off their guns but thank goodness they will still let you look through their scopes without fear of me destroying the world.

There is a lot going on with scopes these days. A lot of fascination with scope knobs. For me I want to pick up a scope with a lens that is crisp and clear. That's my first priority. I recently bought a Leupold at a Cabela's. The sight picture what I have always expected if not more from a Leupold. And it has nice knobs.

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The last Leupold I purchased was a VX-5HD. I have zero complaints. It seems as good as any scope I've ever owned.

I don't have any experience with the Freedom line. And the only Nikon I ever owned was what I considered the underrated Omega, so I can't really speak to Nikon optics. I was never that impressed by the VX-2s, having owned a couple, though many have praised them as a good all-around lower priced optic. The only other scopes I currently own besides Leupold (which are most of my optics) are Zeiss and Swarovski.

So, long story short, I have no real answer to the OP's question...
 
Almost none of the opinion in this makes any sense, and most is easily disproven. Specifically, Nikon’s customer service was highly restrictive compared to Vortex’s. Not making any claim that Vortex’s low end scopes are anything but low end, but taking shots at their customer service and saying Nikon’s provenance based, no-negligence, limited warranty was better than Vortex’s turnstile type customer support is absolutely laughable.

Believing Nikon couldn’t compete is also pretty funny. They took a shot with the FX-black line, realized they still weren’t selling because customers expected better performance, AND they started getting more and more pressure from their left-leaning photography customers to get out of riflescopes - after it became apparent abandoning their hunting lines and trying to keep sport shooting lines open - so they took the opportunity to bail on riflescopes altogether.

They were largely an anti-gun and anti-hunting organization for a long time. Guys bought their scopes thinking they were getting the same great glass found in their photography lenses… often not. The other consequences of limited elevation adjustment, lensing edge effects, and lacking market-relevant features were a result of their lack of interest to invest in the market opportunity, not because they “weren’t able to compete.”

Considering vortex takes back scopes that get wiped out in non-use cases (fire, car flipped 20 times and atomized the glass, things like that) I don't think anyone can have a more lax, permissive warranty.
 
Has Leupold gone downhill? I'd say no, but I also have to say they are not nearly so far ahead as they used to be either.

Other players, Vortex in particular, offer scopes that offer dang near the same or better quality and features for a lot less money, and frankly, a lot better, lot less hassle warranty.

Far has the bottom end goes..the freedom line is just fine, however, for the same money one can get a midrange Athlon, Burris, Vortex, Riton (personally never tried this brand..but I have friends that have them..they are very decent), that are superior than Leupold in both quality and features.

I love Leupy...but they are no longer the only game in town for me like they once were.
 
I’d actually point out the OTHER innovations Leupold has made to bring their top end optics back up to relevant status in their market. For many years, Leupold was irrelevant in the rapidly growing long distance optic market. They had their KD competition line, and had a bunch of hunting scopes, but they didn’t have an FFP, didn’t have a graduated reticle worth a damn, didn’t have a milliradian based turret offering, didn’t have reliable tracking… problems they’ve largely rectified, and have resultingly earned a place at the table with their Mark 5HD and PR2 reticle.

So just remember, it wasn’t so long ago that the best field optic Leupold offered was a second focal mil-dot reticle with 1/4moa turrets… and they’ve come a LONG WAYS in a short time.
 
I’d actually point out the OTHER innovations Leupold has made to bring their top end optics back up to relevant status in their market. For many years, Leupold was irrelevant in the rapidly growing long distance optic market. They had their KD competition line, and had a bunch of hunting scopes, but they didn’t have an FFP, didn’t have a graduated reticle worth a damn, didn’t have a milliradian based turret offering, didn’t have reliable tracking… problems they’ve largely rectified, and have resultingly earned a place at the table with their Mark 5HD and PR2 reticle.

So just remember, it wasn’t so long ago that the best field optic Leupold offered was a second focal mil-dot reticle with 1/4moa turrets… and they’ve come a LONG WAYS in a short time.
It's been a while since leupy only offered second plain, single cross hair scopes. Talking late 90s, but also, back then there were a lot less competition. Burris, Bushnell, Nightforce..and the German brands..Redfield had died not too long before this too. I bought my first Leupy First plane around 2008 or so..and it has a multi line reticle in it (Boone and Croket)..
Really back then, it was only mostly the Euro brands that were doing first focal...in fact when I was shopping I checked one out and didn't like how the reticle changed size with power adjustments (later leaned that was actually an advantage)..Americans...most anyway, were very used to Second plane...

When I say Leupold was ahead...that's the Era I'm talking about..before the rise of Vortex, Nikon etc...
 
I bought my first Leupy First plane around 2008 or so..and it has a multi line reticle in it (Boone and Croket).

Kinda illustrating my point - when Leupold finally tried to keep up with the other makers converting to FFP, they did it in a BS asymmetric reticle designed for hunting. I recall around that time, begging their custom shop to cut their TMR reticle, or even a simple mil-dot into their FFP line so I wouldn’t be jacking with asymmetric subtensions… no dice until they finally brought out the new models, years behind their competition.

Sure, they were ahead of brands which sold at Walmart, and a company which isn’t even old enough to buy booze yet…
 
There are advantages/disadvantages to both FFP and SFP. If one likes SFP scopes and still wants the advantages of SFP combined with a Leupold scope the CDS Dial System is worth considering. Leupold also manufactures SFP scopes. And maybe Leupold may have made some mistakes in the past. But as far as I am concerned, over the decades I have owned Leupolds, they sure haven't made the mistakes of the three other major scope manufacturers that I will never buy from again.
 
I don't know if this is going downhill, but Leupold optics do seem to be getting heavier/bulkier, which is disappointing to me. As others have stated, I find the sharpness, brightness, and contrast of other scopes better for the money than Leupold (Burris most specifically). But the reasons I bought more Leupolds (6 total) was that:

1) they were about 20% lighter than comparable scopes from other companies. (The main reason I've never bought a Vortex is they seem to be heavier than most)

2) they had no "tunnel" effect to my eyes (Burris and Vortex have some).

3) eye-relief is generally long and non-critical.

All of these make for nice hunting scopes--probably not so important for range/target work.

But the weight of VX-F scopes have climbed to about average now, losing what I considered one of Leupold's big advantages.
 
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