Has the "Gun Control" crowd created a monster?

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With all of the attempted bans on countless firearms have the anti's actaully undone themselves by galvanizing us?

NRA has seen the highest membership rates in its history, hunters stand side by side with sports shooters, and we have been forced to become some of the most active voters & politicaly savy people in this country. Since the anti's pushed we have shoved and seen more than 30 states pass "Castle Doctrine" laws. Concealed carry programs are supported by almost every single state in the Union and we have made countless strides to stop confiscation of firearms. Supreme court will hear the first second amendment case in decades.

After enduring the "Assault Weapons Ban" Americans punished the Democrats by denying them the house, senate, and presidential office. We were blamed for costing John Kerry and Al Gore presidential election. Indeed the Democrats have learned pro-gun is a bi-partisan issue and now even Cannadians are fighting back. We have seen their legislation continue to fail even New York is experiencing a push back a gun owners demand their rights back. I think the anti's have woken a sleeping giant.
 
Count me as part of that backlash that's a small part of the machinery that makes up the sleeping giant. But honestly, credit goes to John Ross. After reading UC, I felt compelled to do what I can to make a difference. Secondly, I credit forums like this.

I don't know how much of it is that they've woken a sleeping giant, or that the internet, and more widespread communication has allowed logic to spread, causing the giant to awaken on its own.

Regardless, I cringe a bit when I read posts like this. I fear that people will read this, concur, and go back to sleep. I urge you to do the opposite. Get involved. Do something.
 
Nomad101bc,

At least you could have spelled Canadian right! ;)

Yes, we are fighting back. We are doing our very best to bring freedom and the right to participate in our personal safety back into the picture.

Heck, even Oleg has been giving us some help!
 
To a degree, yes. I think the gun owners are much more aware as to the threat and strategies of the antis. And knowing you are in a fight is the first step to fighting back. ;) Certainly the AK and AR15 platforms are more popular now than ever before thanks to the expired AWB. With their increased consumer base and popularity they become a little less susceptible to infringement without a significant political consequence.

However, the feds have been very effective at reducing the number of FFLs and trimming back imports. The big threat now is against our sources for products: ammo, FFLs, imports, machine guns, etc.

It is good that we have awoke to the threat, but we must fully realize all the fronts on which we are being attacked, and keep pushing back the infringements on all sides. The antis will never give up. The tyrants will always work to disarm the free and there will always be an element of society trying to be a tyrant.

We have to build on our successes and never let our guard down thinking "we've made it!".

Semper Vigilans!
 
I agree with Sig; I believe they may have, but we'll have to see what happens when/if the rubber hits the road.

Siglite, showing a little ignorance here; what is this UC that you speak of?
 
I'd say that they've worked a lot toward their undoing by continuing to spew ever more ridiculous rhetoric. Basically, they've outed themselves, and they appear to be a little unbalanced, even though they, themselves aren't aware of it...but people are starting to notice the king's new clothes.

The average man on the street isn't stupid, and even though a few may have nodded their heads in agreement early on...they're starting to notice what appears to be a shrill, increasingly absurd and flawed logic on the part of our enemies that has begun to resemble childish temper tantrums.

It really doesn't take a genius to determine that an armed student or teacher at VA Tech could have reduced the number of casualties signifigantly...but that's apparently beyond the grasp of a few.
 
I often wonder if the debate is really "alarmist & impulsive" vs "logical & rational."
 
It's the internet.

When there is an uncontrolled flow of information we win.

People are able to check any statement's veracity with just a few mouse clicks.

And part of it is that Gun Control offers nothing. On our side we have products, events hobbies and knowledge. What do they have? A few slogans and....? There is absolutely nothing to engage people with in their movement.

Finally many people are now aware that Gun Control offers nothing in terms of saving oneself from evil. Our side has "fight back" in the menu of response options. All they have is "run" "surrender" "cower" and "die".

So they are shown to be empty, shallow and depraved and this turns off a lot of folk who might not ever be gun enthusiasts but will still back RKBA because they've learned the truth.
 
It does appear that they are on the losing end of this. Not the time for us to slack though. Time to shift it up a notch and pour on the coal.
 
That pacifist doctrine has been around for a long time. The idea that violence is never an acceptable solution (even in self defense), and that government must have an absolute monopoly on it.

It dates back to the 60s and even further in certain circles.
 
It was popular after World War 1; then faded after WW2 and we realized how weak it made us. We saw it emerge again after the Korean war and ultimately it cost us a victory in Vietnam. It seems to come up constantly after we forget after each war about 10 years later. Its amazing how stupid people can be when there's countless examples in history of how many times pacifism failed.

It's the internet.

When there is an uncontrolled flow of information we win.
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How long do you think this will last? We are one of the few countries who beleive in such a thing as free flow of information. The U.N. is bound to try and remove this freedom at some point.
 
This is why we gun owners must continue to speak out and support organizations that have some clout. While I do not agree with everything the NRA does, I rejoined last year after a 25 year hiatus. If the gun organizations like the NRA, GOA, and all others would quit trying to steal each others members and focus on an agenda we'd all be better off.

I've probably written 10-15 letters in the past 6 months to my state legislators reminding them that my 2A rights are a factor in how I vote. We need to unify and speak as a single voice where we can as there is strength in numbers...
 
If there ever were a shooting at my college and I was injured or killed since it is a "gun free zone." I would certainly sue the school for not allowing me to adequetly defend myself.
 
It's the internet.
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I think this plays a HUGE role. Prior to the '94 AWB, the Internet was in its infancy. A few e-mail lists were out there, but most folks didn't even have a PC.

The internet has allowed communication to flourish. With that comes coordination and action. The NRA, GOA, and state associations can notify members in minutes, not days or weeks about pending legislation and they can do it for pennies, not thousands of dollars in postage.

I also think the '94 AWB and it's clone laws woke a lot of people up. Prior to that, it was "it'll never happen." Once it did happen, people got very nervous. And then, when state AWBs got even stricter and banned stuff like Mini-14s, people really freaked out. And now that California makes Springfield Armory jump through hoops to sell different color guns, people have begun to see the lunacy.

The fact that Utopia did not descend upon the United States from 1994-2004 seemed to show the public that guns aren't the problem. Criminals are.
 
Did the Anti's create a Monster - well maybe.

What has happened is their actions, especially the '94 AWB provided the tangible evidence that the the second amendment could be legislated into irrelevance if WE THE PEOPLE DID NOTHING. Fortunately, it turned out that the '94 AWB became a rallying point for those opposing the gun control groups.

The '94 AWB, which I understand was pushed through using parlimentary tricks, woke many people up to the fact that gun control a la Great Britain or Australia could become a reality in this country. The shock of the passing of the '94 AWB is what drove the political backlash against Clinton in '96, started the rise in popularity of the "black rifles" and comm bloc surplus and is still driving the CCW efforts today.

However, the groups that avocate for gun control are groups that also control the institutions for educating our children. Hitler said something to the effect of, it did not matter if you supported his regime or not, he already had your kids - the rest was just time. And that is what we are up against.

There are forces that are very powerful and advocating for the disarmament of civilian populations. They will not stop just because they loose a couple of elections. And, just like their success in '94 educated us; our success now educates them.
 
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All they have is "run" "surrender" "cower" and "die".
The oddest thing is that...in the past 15 years or so...it's been a completely acceptable response for more and more people. I remember a time that it would have been met with an incredulous stare and an expression of absolute disbelief.


They have beeh teaching this attitude to school children for years. I battled school administrators constantly, over my childrens right to defend themselves when confronted by bullies, i was told that if my child was hit by a bully, they had no right to fight back in self defence and if they did, they would be punished, and because they DID fight back they were never bullied more than once and i had several conferences with administrators where my atitude about our right to self defence was made very, very clear.My logic always won the argument.
I think the gun ban fanatics are suffering from the same flawed logic that the school administrators tried to force into my kids heads, you can not save yourself by running away from a fight, and the "fence sitters" on gun rights and self defence are starting to understand that. It's just not the "American way" to run from a fight. We don't like to start a fight, but we never, ever run when we are attacked. The gun ban wackos are slowly being exposed for what they are...Bullies
 
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