hate to be sterotypical but....

[Ridgeway]

Just back from my weekly range trip, and unlike normal the range was packed(usually I'm alone @ this time of day).
But it seemed like youth hour @ the line- not a person over 21(myself included).
I was happily blasting away with my DE, and hear rapid firing from a couple lanes down. As I was leaving I glanced @ the lane & shooters- about 4 black guys ~17-21. The shooter was holding what appeared to be a Glock 17 one handed and was shooting as fast as he could...@ least the gun wasn't sideways, but still. Perhaps he was just having some fun with friends(though I'm not sure goofing off & seeing how fast one can shoot is a good idea for fun w/a firearm).

Anyways, my range observation for the day.

 

[Dbl0Kevin]

Eh I could think of worse things. How many people have posted here about bump firing a whole 30rd AR mag down range all over the place?

 

[sendec]

Why do people always say "I hate to..." and then proceed to do just that? Its like when somebody says "it's not about the money".

Were they getting hits? Thats' all that matters.

 

[Das Pferd]

I'm not racist, I have a friend thats black.

What does them being black have anything to do with it? Maybe they were just out to have some fun. We cant be target shooters all the time. Sometimes its fun to blast away.

Or were drawing the reference between them being black, owning a Glock 17, and shooting away like they didnt care about accuracy? Because I hope not.

I really dont care about taking the high road on this thread.

 

[Cortland]

I use a private club range, so the kind of tomfoolery with which you were recently beset is rarely a problem for me.

However, I did once frequent a commercial range where ammo wasters were prevalent. So long as people waste ammo in a safe manner, it is of no concern to me. All the ammo wasters I saw were young white guys.

I am not sure what you mean to say when you indicate the four fellows you encountered were black men. You certainly don't mean to indicate that you expect all black men to be incapable and irresponsible marksmen, or that foolishness does not occur amongst white men? I have been known to engage the infrequent bump-firing of a rifle ... when nobody's around.

I am not much older than 21 myself, but a commercial range full of 18-21 year olds scares the hell out of me.

 

[spacemanspiff]

its great living in alaska.... we are so far away from the stereotypes. not saying we dont have people of color up here. because theres plenty. blacks, hispanics, asians, you name it.

but up here its rare to see a person of color who DOESNT know how to shoot. sure, you do get the wannabe bangers up here who do shoot sideways, but 9 times out of 10, the black guys shooting a lane down from you are pretty darn good shots. and if they arent, they will almost always find someone at the range to ask for advice.

the other day i was shooting with a grungy long haired hippy (we'll call him mrigotintroublewithswmbofortossingadirtygrimyboltonthebedsheets) and 4 wannabe bangers showed up. they had some neat hardware, an AK of some flavor, some shiny pistol, and a mac that appeared to be singleshot. but they werent arrogant or driven by their ego. they went up to other shooters and asked for help or advice, had questions about what others were shooting.

in fact the only group of shooters that made me laugh was the white boys that showered their entire target with .223 and 7.62 from their AKs with minute-of-broadsideofbarn accuracy at 50 yards. i could hardly keep my giggles to myself as they kept saying to each other "yep! there was another bullseye! that targets gonna have nothing but one hole in the middle of it."
as i looked through the scope on my marlin and saw that their oversized 2 foot diameter target had virtually no hits in the black, out of a couple hundred rounds fired.

you want to talk about race? i aint a racist. i have lots of white friends.

 

[Werewolf]

Shooting a G17 as fast as they could huh? The bastards, the unsafe inconsiderate scum bags.

So what? They might have been practicing for an IPSC match where speed counts for way more than accuracy.

There's lots of reasons they could have been doing what you describe. Heck I often set up two B-27's side by side at 10 yards, hand my wife a stop watch and wait for her to yell go! Then I shoot 2 as quickly as possible into each target and then 1 head shot into each target. I do it fast enough that the old guy in charge of the range where I shoot yells on the loud speaker "No Rapid Fire guys", that's how I know I'm doing it quickly enough.

If they're not being unsafe I don't see any reason one should be concerned.

 

[GigaBuist]

I think it's sometimes good to just rattle rounds down range -- you show yourself that it's NOT an accurate way to fire usually.

After shooting, oh, 500 rounds a week for 3 weeks in a row I was comfortable enough to try it again. Send the target down range to 7 yards on a 1/2 man sized target and try some Mozambique drills. Two COM, aimed shot to the head. Whole thing takes under 2 seconds I figure though I never timed it. Repeat and try again.

After all, all that slow-fire practice is really just training so that you can deliver 2 to the chest and 1 to the head (if needed) right? Might as well see if you can do it.

Something fun I found was after 100 or so rounds with my pistol and a target blown to crap was this: Take two of the 6" "shoot-n-see" targets and put them on the shot-out target. Run that down range to you normal shooting distance. Load up 10 rounds, and rock! Alternate between the two targets (placed as far apart as I could) delivering one shot to each. Repeat. Do it again with 2 more 6" targets. Surprisingly after weeks and weeks of slow fire practice I could actually put each shot into a 6" circle with about .5 seconds between shots or maybe less.

It takes practice, and if all you ever do it shoot slow-fire shots at the same target you'll never be "combat ready" I guess is the term. Sure, the first few times you try and rattle them down range that fast you'll miss a lot -- and hopefully learn from it!

Besides, we want reliability from our semi-autos, right? As an engineering type guy I know that it's most likely to fail when it's dirty and when it's fired fast. If I want to be SURE that my weapon will perform when called upon it makes sense to finish off a range session ever now and then just to see how fast I can pull the trigger on this dirty weapon. Did it still shoot? Good! If not, we've got a problem. Regardless of how accurate I am if the weapon won't function when needed the most it's uselesss. You'll sleep a little better at night if you push your gear to it's limits (beyond your limits) and see that it still functions in every way, shape, and form.

I'm a little dismayed at seeing comments such as this. Nothing against the oriinal post or any commenters in this thread at all -- but every round sent down range serves a purpose whether you know it or not. So long as it's safe just be glad that they're shooting.

Hey, I've seen guys darned-near miss a full-size man target at 7 yards. And this "kid" was doing slow fire! I could have beat his accuracy if I was dropping rounds out every .25 seconds honestly -- and I'm a bad shot. That doesn't mean he needed to slow down from 5 seconds between shots to 10 seconds. Just means he needed more practice (and probably some instruction).

 

[shermacman]

I am a balding, white male.
I have dumped full magazines of ammo as fast as I could pull the trigger.
I have fired my AO 1911 gansta style.
I have fired my .22 bolt action rifle gansta style
I have bump fired my AR-15 (all twenty rounds!)
I executed a pumpkin with my M1 Garand.
Wasting ammo can be fun!
I once built a potato gun...propane fired...I got scared of it.
I am a balding, white male.

 

[Sactown]

Maybe they were practicing weak hand shooting or something. Self defense drills where they couldn't use the other hand. Who doesn't have the urge to dump lead down range ASAP just for the heck of it? I know I've done it.

 

[horge]

He ain't white, either.
He wears lo-rider baggy pants, and likes both bling and goofing off.
He likes to shoot fast, too.

Leatham, Jarrett, Miculek, Vidanes and Koenig might remember him.

 

[Mulliga]

Well, sometimes I like to bump a whole AK mag downrange.

 

[shep854]

And I'm sure nobody, but no-body, has ever given into the urge to floor it going down a long straight or a temptingly curvy road.

 

[rayra]

I'm just wondering what all those sub-21yr olds were doing there with Handguns. What's the Fed / State law about unsupervised Minors with firearms?

 

[4v50 Gary]

BTW, if you ever see a racially mixed group of adult male shooters, they're probably coworkers practicing together (and likely to be LEOs).

 

[Standing Wolf]

...I'm not sure goofing off & seeing how fast one can shoot is a good idea for fun w/a firearm...

The only way I identified the main spring problem with one of my High Standard .22 caliber match pistols was to shoot it as fast as I could with an assortment of magazines and ammunition types. It felt weird more than fun, but fun, too, in a silly sort of way. I may try it again some time.

 

[Ian]

rayra - There is no Federal law regarding "underage" possession, though some states have laws about it. I'm 20, and go pistol shooting "unsupervised" on a regular basis.

 

[ExtremeDooty]

Nothing I like more than grabbing two semi autos and firing them simultaneously just as fast as I can. Sometimes I even hit the target I'm aiming at, but that's not the point. It's just fun. I only do this at an outdoor range.

 

[Finch]

I don't really care what anyone thinks of me when I "goof off" at the range. I'm there to have fun. Sure, I practice accuracy, but all work and no play...

It's not uncommon for me to put 30 rounds through my 10/22 in a couple of seconds just for sh!%s and giggles. Try it sometime, you might like it.

 

[Joe Demko]

You have a Deagle and question anybody else's idea of what constitutes Fun With A Firearm?

 

[joab]

I really dont care about taking the high road on this thread.

I don't think the original poster did either

One of my shooting mentors is a black man, He can out shoot most of the white guys I know and he don't even hardly like no watermelon,chitlins or fried up chicken.

If you hate to do it before you do it, it's a good indication not to do it

 

[mfree]

When I'm shooting my Walther P22 I do that most of the time.... really because the sights aren't good enough to move the target out to 15/25 yards and practice for distance.

Anyways, I'll empty both 10 round magazines in ~8 seconds or so.

Some of you think I'm wasting ammo.

I think I'm doing pretty good, because every one of those 20 shots hits a 3-4" group at 7 yards, with 5-6 in the X ring

 

[JuniorG]

I met an old guy at the range once, he was shooting a 45 ACP at 50 yards and hitting the bullseye consistintly. Said he was on a shooting team while in the service and liked to stay focused. Moving to the 25yd station he loaded 6 in the mag (All thats allowed where I shoot) and proceed to put all 6 down in the bullseye faster than I could say HOLY **** I swear he was done before the 1st piece of brass hit the ground.
We talked for quite awhile about the aspects of pistol shooting and he offered me alot of useful information.

The result of this chance meeting was, I met a new friend and, I am a better pistol shot as a result of my conversation with him.

Did I mention this old boy was purple

 

[entropy]

Gee, Id've figured Barney was anti -gun!

That or lay off the mushrooms before going to the range, there, JuniorG!

Hey, look at it this way: As long as safety procudures were followed, who cares? Sounds like everyone was having fun except the original poster.

[Sgt. Hulka voice] Lighten up, Francis! [/Sgt. Hulka voice]

Deagle?

 

[Carlos Cabeza]

Deagle = Desert Eagle
But it's not a Deagle unless it's one of those TiN (gold) coated or the ultra- bling bling chrome model. The standard blued one doesn't count as a deagle. I love wasting ammo, that's part of the fun of being free to do whatever you want as long as it doesn't infringe on another's right to life, liberty and the pursuit of those who threaten it !