Hating the President: an interesting subject

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From the Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A46805-2003Oct18?language=printer):

A Dislike Unlike Any Other?

Writer Jonathan Chait Brings Bush-Hating Out of the Closet

By Howard Kurtz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, October 19, 2003; Page D01

The words tumble out, the hands gesture urgently, as Jonathan Chait explains why he hates George W. Bush.

It's Bush's radical policies, says the 31-year-old New Republic writer, and his unfair tax cuts, and his cowboy phoniness, and his favors for corporate cronies, and his heist in Florida, and his dishonesty about his silver-spoon upbringing, and, oh yes, the way he walks and talks.

For some of his friends, Chait says at a corner table in a downtown Starbucks, "just seeing his face or hearing his voice causes a physical reaction -- they have to get away from the TV. My sister-in-law describes Bush's existence as an oppressive force, a constant weight on her shoulder, just knowing that George Bush is president."

Has this unassuming man in a rumpled sports shirt lifted the lid on a boiling caldron of anti-Bush fury in liberal precincts across America? Or is he just an overcaffeinated, irrational liberal, venting to a minority of like-minded readers?

Ramesh Ponnuru, a soft-spoken conservative at National Review, pays Chait a backhanded compliment, writing that "not everyone would be brave enough to recount their harrowing descent into madness so vividly."

Ponnuru calls him "smart, funny and completely misguided." Since the president is so likable, he says, the outbreak of Bush hatred "just makes you scratch your head."

Chait, a doctor's son from suburban Detroit, obviously didn't create the Bush-bashing debate. But his recent "Bush Hatred" cover story helped bring the subject out of the closet, where it can be dissected and diagnosed as part of the lefties-are-from-Mars, right-wingers-are-from-Venus shoutfest.

Hatred, of course, is such an unpleasant word. Some afflicted with the condition would describe it as being steamed, ticked, appalled, revolted or otherwise fed up with Bush. But the salient characteristic is the scowling intensity of these feelings, particularly for liberals who despair that the other side controls the White House, Congress and the Supreme Court.

Mainstream journalism, with its traditional parameters, has somehow failed to connect with the notion that there are lots of Americans who walk around sputtering about Dubya -- despite fairly healthy approval ratings for a third-year incumbent. The press was filled with stories about Clinton-haters, but Bush-hating is either more restrained or more out of control, depending on who's keeping score.

A spate of liberal books are smacking the president around: David Corn's "The Lies of George W. Bush"; "Bushwhacked," by Molly Ivins and Lou Dubose; Paul Krugman's "The Great Unraveling"; Joe Conason's "Big Lies"; and Al Franken's "Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them." (These, of course, follow a flood of best-selling conservative books by Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, Bernard Goldberg and others.)

The war in Iraq is a key factor. Corn, the Nation's Washington bureau chief, says he pitched his book in the spring of 2002 and his agent got no nibbles. But when he submitted a one-paragraph outline last October, during the run-up to the war, six publishing houses asked to see him immediately, and he had offers the next day.

"Having uninformed hatred of anybody is probably not a good thing," Corn says. "But if you have reason to believe the president of the United States is lying to you about significant matters, then you have damn good reason to be damn upset."

The other side is getting upset as well. David Brooks, the former Weekly Standard writer who recently became a New York Times columnist, took vigorous exception to Chait's piece, writing that "the quintessential new warrior scans the Web for confirmation of the president's villainy. . . . The core threat to democracy is not in the White House, it's the haters themselves."

"I get the feeling that some Democrats had so much hatred for Bush that they had no hatred left over for Saddam," Brooks says in an interview. "Conversely, some Republicans had so much hatred for Clinton they could never bring themselves to support some of the good things he did."

But, he admits, "I wish I'd been more critical during the Clinton years. I was reluctant to attack people I liked." Brooks calls Chait a good journalist, but adds: "After you say you hate the way Bush walks and talks, you can never again ask readers to trust your judgment on anything involving Bush."

The New Republic's editor complained in a letter to the Times that Brooks had ignored Chait's substantive arguments against Bush. And Chait says that gee, by the way, Republicans set a "perjury trap" and impeached a popular Democrat, and yet "suddenly it's time to declare president-hating out of bounds."

Such attitudes draw a chuckle from Laura Ingraham, a conservative radio talk show host whose new book is called "Shut Up and Sing: How Elites From Hollywood, Politics and the UN are Subverting America."

"What drives them nuts is that people actually like Bush," she says. "Even if they disagree with him, they think he's a good person." But for many liberals, "Bush isn't just wrong, he's evil. The axis of evil for these guys is George Bush, Karl Rove and Donald Rumsfeld."

The debate inevitably slams into reverse by examining the antipathy for all things Clintonian (Ingraham, for instance, wrote a highly critical book on Hillary). After all, the libs say, Bill Clinton was accused by his feverish foes of such absurdities as murder and drug-running, and denounced by more mainstream Republicans, such as Indiana Rep. Dan Burton, who once called Clinton a "scumbag" and reenacted the Vince Foster shooting with a pumpkin. But as National Review's Byron York points out, one far-left Web site accuses the Bush family of involvement in hundreds of deaths, while others liken the president to Hitler (you can order a Bush T-shirt with a swastika in place of the "s") or just call him an idiot (Toostupidtobepresident.com). York also notes that Sheldon Drobny, who is arranging financing for a liberal talk radio network, has alleged online that the president's grandfather, Prescott Bush, did business with the Third Reich but that "as in any fascist regime, the press is prevented from publishing it."

Fringe Web sites aside, liberals insist that Bush-bashing is "different from Clinton-hating and Nixon-hating," as Hendrik Hertzberg, senior editor of the New Yorker, puts it. The reason: It's not personal, in the way that conservatives saw Clinton "as a '60s hippie and hated him for that."

Hertzberg, whose friends openly disdain the commander in chief -- "The phrase 'President Bush' hurts their eardrums" -- is among those who proudly refuse to Get Over the high court's ruling in Bush v. Gore.

"Bush lost in the vote of the people, and his legitimacy is hard to accept," he says. "Having lost the popular vote, he took no account of the special circumstances of his election and governed as if there was a popular mandate for the whole program of the hard right."

Why, then, did Florida quickly fade as a journalistic issue? "The media did not want to face the idea that we had an illegitimately installed president," Hertzberg says. "That's too big a piece of bad news that shakes too many kinds of civic faith."

Others are fuming not so much about the recount as about Bush's self-portrait as a compassionate conservative. "In 2000 the press did a historically awful job" of exposing the gap between Bush's soothing rhetoric and his conservative record, Chait says.

One of the few points of agreement is that Bush has done to the Democrats what Clinton did to the GOP: pilfered their best issues. Just as Clinton seized credit for welfare reform and crime fighting, Bush has stolen the opposition's thunder on such perennial liberal causes as education and prescription drugs for the elderly.

"Being beaten is never fun," Ponnuru says, "particularly when you're being beaten by someone you consider a moron."

But the consensus breaks down over whether Bush has been deceiving the public -- not just over his decision to invade Iraq, a debate that continues to rage, but also whether he misrepresented his tax cuts as helping the middle class when they are heavily tilted to the wealthy.

The ball is hit back and forth, across the net that divides the media landscape, from those who cheer Fox to those who swear by NPR.

On the left: Slate columnist Michael Kinsley writes that he and other liberals view Bush as "pretty dumb -- though you're not supposed to say it and we usually don't." Bush is also, writes Kinsley, "a remarkably successful liar."

On the right: Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer, writing in Time, sees the anti-Bush "contempt and disdain giving way to a hatred that is near pathological. . . . Bush's great crime is that he is the illegitimate president who became consequential -- revolutionizing American foreign policy, reshaping economic policy and dominating the political scene ever since his emergence as the post-9/11 war president."

On the left: Paul Krugman sees a huge double standard, insisting there is "no way to be both honest and polite" about the administration's deceptions.

"There's nothing on the liberal side that compares to the bile we've routinely gotten on the right," the New York Times columnist says in an interview. "After years of extreme attacks from conservative pundits and politicians, now there's a little bit of feistiness on the other side and it's 'Oh, those rude people!' They themselves continue to do slash-and-burn, and the other side can't. It's amazing how thin-skinned some of these guys are."

What, in the end, is the impact of this anti-Bush animus?

To hear conservatives tell it, the liberals are being self-destructive by constantly and fervently denouncing the president.

"After a while," says Ingraham, "it sounds like they're not respecting the intelligence of the average American. It's become a brand for the angry left."

To hear liberals tell it, the fury at Bush could fuel a Democratic surge in 2004 and helps explain the improbable success of Howard Dean. In this view, the party doesn't need milquetoast Democrats who blur their differences with Bush as much as two-fisted candidates ready to punch him out.

"Many Democratic partisans looked for a champion who would take on Bush directly, with passion and vigor, who would call Bush on his false statements," David Corn says. Dean "mirrored the anger and disgust felt by many grass-roots Democrats."

It was against this backdrop that Chait felt compelled to speak out. "It's become social taboo to question Bush's legitimacy in any way, or even his fitness to hold office," he says. "It's seen as a mark of being hyper-partisan and bitter."

Chait's New Republic editors urged him to write a coolly analytical piece about Bush's failings, but he waved them off. "I felt I was being slightly dishonest by not confessing my own feelings," he says.

Bush-hating, it turns out, can be good business. Chait has gotten so much reaction that he and Ponnuru have been making the talk show rounds and are working with a speaker's bureau. But he's also gotten some nasty e-mail messages, one of which, perhaps inevitably, was titled: "Why I Hate Jonathan Chait."
 
"Conversely, some Republicans had so much hatred for Clinton they could never bring themselves to support some of the good things he did."


Uhm... Uhm....

Hum.

If I could think of any, I'd give him credit...

"It's not personal, in the way that conservatives saw Clinton "as a '60s hippie and hated him for that."

Hum... I didn't see a 1960s hippie when I looked at Bill Clinton... I saw a coward, a perjurer, a man without principles, a whoremonger... and those are just his better traits...
 
Many of today's Liberals do not see themselves as Liberals; they actually think of themselves as rational, moderate "Progressives". I say this from the perspective of decades of watching US politics.

This far-Left contingent has become ever more strident in the last dozen or more years. It is as though the howling and yowling of the 1960s/1970s protest era is now accepted as proper behavior. There is far more emotion (on a daily basis) brought to their politics now than in the past.

IMO, it is this contingent--having permeated the media--which will raise a total ruckus against Dubya, where they ignored or forgave Clinton for any similar or even more egregious "misdeeds".

Art
 
"This far-Left contingent has become ever more strident in the last dozen or more years. It is as though the howling and yowling of the 1960s/1970s protest era is now accepted as proper behavior. There is far more emotion (on a daily basis) brought to their politics now than in the past."

Demons always howl when they are excorcized. ;)

Funny thing with some of my extended family Clinton-lover-types. They always seem to mention "all the good things he did for women." The obvious request for further clarification is "what things?" is met with somewhat of an uneasiness. There never were any "good things for women."

I'm no lover of Bush 1 or The Shrub, & frankly, didn't even read the article.

We've been sold down the river by both parties & the only difference I can see is the speed we go over the cliff.

Strike that. The speed has become the same - it is merely the direction - but over the cliff we go.
 
It's funny how everyone that hates Bush hates him because he is doing his job and it's funny that everyone that hated Clinton hated because he didn't do his job.

Just for the record, I like Bush and I was neutral towards Clinton. What I don't like is some of the Bush administration staff (i.e. Ashcroft).

GT
 
While I certainly didn't like Clinton,I can't remember ever saying
I hated him.It seems that all the leftys I talk to(in California thats a lot!)
they all to a person say they hate and despise him!
Hey man,such negativity.
I think its just sour grapes!

QuickDraw
 
I"t's funny how everyone that hates Bush hates him because he is doing his job."

Unmitigated BS!

The Shrub isn't "doing his job."

His job, foremost is to "protet & defend the constitution." Everything else is subservient. Please do take a look at his oath of office & all that does entail.

How easily we forget due to our own wishes .....

Besides anywise things anyone would want him to do to effect "possitive changes" in our society, he is (should be!) bound by that oath, but no matter. We all have our personal gripes on how things "should be run."

& that's a huge matter.

You want "things?," then go change them through the process established by the constitution & quit griping about "why things aren't better."

Sheesh!

Things would be better if we just held to the principles laid down over 200 years ago.

Needs a new thread = JFK was better than any current Repub ....
 
Hey folks, Clinton was not the worst President in U.S. history,
he was the worst person to have been President in U.S. history.
 
Bush lost in the vote of the people, and his legitimacy is hard to accept," he says. "Having lost the popular vote, he took no account of the special circumstances of his election and governed as if there was a popular mandate for the whole program of the hard right."
Did I misunderstand high school civics, when they explained the electoral colledge. These people play on the ignorance of the masses. This country is not a democracy never was meant to be one. That idea was considered and rejected.

If it were a democracy the south would still be segregated and the Irish would still be second class citizens in the north. And telemarketers would not be allowed to call my house.

Also they never talk about the 3 or so newspapers that counted the votes after the election and found that Bush won.
 
I absolutely hated Clinton, so I feel these liberals' "pain."

While there are many things I don't like that Bush has done, I'm always amazed at the claim that he's dumb.

Let's see. He wanted a $1.6 trillion tax cut, but only got $1.3.

He wanted to invade Iraq with or without a UN resolution. Seems to have been done.

He wanted $87 billion to rebuild Iraq and maintain our troop presence. Looks like congress is going to give him $77 billion and another $10 in the form of a grant.

He wanted UN help in rebuilding Iraq while maintaining US control over the process. The UN voted unanimously for the proposal.

Everytime someone underestimates him, they wind up giving him most or all of what he wants.
 
"It's not personal

I'll take the middle road here - it was very personal with Clinton, and its very personal with Bush. Has nothing to do with the policies of either man, with Clinton its the womanizing, with Bush its the religion. Both are big no-nos with the opposite party.

Long term, I think its a bad shift away from voting based on the issues.
 
Bainx-- your words contain STRONG mojo:

"Hey folks, Clinton was not the worst President in U.S. history,
he was the worst person to have been President in U.S. history."

We have never been so divided politically as a nation as we are now.
I don't think the depth of this rift can be healed. :(

Pick a country: United States of Liberality or United States of Conservatism.
Just gotta decide geographical boundaries...east/west of Mississippi R.? Mason-Dixon?

Lemme know when the bus leaves for the conservative side. I'll pack my bags.
 
We have never been so divided politically as a nation as we are now.

Well... there was that one time in the 1860's. Come to think of it, the 1960's weren't exactly a national lovefest either, hippies notwithstanding.

I don't think the depth of this rift can be healed.

I think you're right there though. The fundamental perceptions of the role of gov't aren't likely to change en masse for either side.
 
I never thought too poorly of Clinton back in the day, even during the Monicagate. But in my defense, I was 9-17yrs of age during his reign.

Bush on the other hand, I have not held in the highest reguard. I never had that high of an opinion of his intelligence, his style of speechmaking, his choice of Cabinet-Members, his stance on guns, and his party. To be honest, I cant coherently state all the reasons I dislike him as a POTUS. He maybe a nice and smart guy, but I just dont think he was POTUS material. JMO.

Lemme know when the bus leaves for the conservative side. I'll pack my bags.
Is there a libertarian-leaning part of this conservative side? Lemme know and I will give someone a lift there.
 
semf,
You're right that the leftists who continue to complain almost 3 years after GWB was elected about his losing "the popular vote" are being disigenuous at best. I can't believe that anyone smart enough to be hired to write a column that touches on politics would not know the power of the electoral college. It keeps politicians of both parties from pandering to the big cities and states, and ensures that the executive branch represents all Americans.

But then the leftists would miss out on a cheap point.
 
Mopar_Mike: "I never thought too poorly of Clinton back in the day, even during the Monicagate. But in my defense, I was 9-17yrs of age during his reign."

In your defense, I'd suggest that you do some reading about Nixon, Clinton, Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II. Since the 1970's, Special Prosecutors and investative hearings have been a form of political payback.

The phrase "what did the president know and when did he know it?" originated with Watergate. Now it's applied to anything and everything, and is usually repeated by the Left.

The term "_____-gate" is a way of attempting to slander any president, whether Clinton or GW.

JFK was a womanizer, and one who got some special jollies by boinking a woman while Jackie was nearby. He also gambled on the chance that he could bluff Kruschev; it's the closest we've ever come to global nuclear war, and we came this "." damned close. Was he a good or great president? Who knows? He didn't have much time to establish a legacy.

LBJ was the consummate Congressional politician, one who knew how to wring his adversary's necks. I do believe he cared about Civil Rights, but I don't think he cared about much else, other than his political hide. He put his Great Society programs above the needs of the Vietnam War and those soldiers involved. When he said he would not seek re-election, I honestly believe he was remorseful. I still feel sorry for him today for what I believe was a statement that was heartfelt.

Nixon was a master politician, especially for the Republicans of his day. He was also a first-class paranoid. There was nothing that his staff did that was justified; Nixon won a landslide. His biggest mistake was trying to provide cover for a staff that had screwed him up. If he'd fired Halderman or Ehrlichman, he probably would have survived.

Gerald Ford? A decent enough man, but one who was put out there to just try to stave off the inevitable: the election of a liberal Democrat.

And, so, along comes Jimmy Carter. Exceptionally bright, honest as the day is long, and clueless as to how to deal with the aftermath of Vietnam or the looming crisis of the rise of Islamic terrorism. Somehow, I never thought that his suggestion to wear a cardigan sweater in the face of an energy crisis rose to the level of Presidential leadership.

Reagan, through some shenanigans of his own, managed to paint Carter into the "weak box." He also got Mondale to confess that he'd raise taxes, not exactly a popular rallying cry. While I believe in tax cuts and I believe that Reagan took us out of the post-Vietnam doldrums, I just can't ascribe an economic recovery to one man. Modern-day liberals point to the Clinton era as a time when the stock market quadrupled. Well, it did under Reagan as well. The Dow went from 1100 to 4400 in the period 1980 to 1990. Was it his doing entirely or even partially? See Clinton.

Clinton: Lucifer on Earth. The most selfish, self-aggrandizing, self-centered politician in the history of mankind. Notice the repitition of the word "self." He sold out friends, family and staff for his own gain, whether political or personal. He could laugh or cry on cue, or do both depending upon the photo-ops. He had/has no principles or core values, unlike Nixon, Reagan or even Carter. It's pretty bad when you have less principles than Nixon.

His supporters point to the stock market boom of the 1990's as an apology for his reign. Feminists such as Patricia Ireland of NOW ignored credible stories of, not just sexual abuse, but of rape on his part. Nice to know that Ms. Ireland has principles.

What did Clinton do to set the stock market into an upward spiral? The best thing Clinton knew how to do: nothing. (Well, other than expose himself to trailer-park girls). If he'd told Janet Reno to back off on Bill Gates, the market may well have continued to spiral. Or not. Presidents don't control the markets, unless they declare war.

Enter GW. Three months before he took office, the press started referring to the "Bush recession." Sorry, but I detect a bit of partisanship on the part of those "journalists."

GW has enacted some of the most anti-Constitutional laws that we've ever seen. I don't doubt that he's done so for the sincerest of reasons but, sincerity or not, the Patriot Act and other measures will come back to haunt us. Think "President Hillary Clinton."

If GW is smart, he'll fold his Al Quada tent and rescind the Patriot Act and other measures before he leaves office. If he doesn't do so, he's going to see a large part of his conservative base walk away in 2004.

Sort of leaves you longing for President "Silent Cal" Coolidge, doesn't it?
 
With All Due Respect

This dinosaur is old enough to remember the hatred leveled at those of us who preached the radical notion in the 60's that all people were created equal (including black people), and I remember the level of hatred directed toward the commie sympathizers who said the Viet nam war was a bad idea..... But the highest level of hatred I've ever seen in my life is currently over this war... but not AT the Bush administration, rather by them and their supporters toward those who asked to see proof before the war started and want some explanations for the pile of lies that are stinking up the place.

EXAMPLE: On one forum, some guy posted a story about a teacher somewhere in the US who spoke out against the war and got bombarded in death threats until he was afraid to try to teach his class. The general concensus was "serves him right". One guy said we should send him to Iraq and and let him see what it's like to live there. I said: The teacher spoke an unpopular opinion and was threatened with death for it... he already knows what it's like to be in Iraq."

EXAMPLE: organizing boycott lists to destroy the businesses of people who did not want to go to war. One bozo said he wanted to show them that the price of free speech is really high (?) Really? I missed that day in school when they said America was about destroying anybody who has a different point of view.

You say people hate Bush? Well, some do and some just fear him. But, who fired first? The record shows that the official policy of the Bush administration has been to arm twist and steamroller and anybody who disagreed with him was labeled a "traitor" and a "Bin laden lover".

And I was the first to say the Democrats were cowards for not sticking by their beliefs because they were intimidated by the "you must be a terror lover" club the Bush administration was using on anybody who stood up.

Bush set the rules of the game, it's not realistic to claim he is being unfairly attacked now. His administration has paled even the Nixon administration when it comes to gloves-off hardball Washington arm breaking. Bush made a lot of claims and they are all public record. And my brother taught me in a poker game 30 years ago: when you get caught bluffing, you lose.
 
Monkeyleg:
Having "volunteered" in '71 for a tour with the Green Machine, I was CQ on the night Nixon resigned.
A treasured memory!


bountyhunter:
In general, teachers are supposed to teach their subject.
Had I kids, and, indeed, when it was me in the (college) classroom, I've no interest at all in what he thought about anything other than the calculus he was teaching.
That's what I paid him for, and any excess time spent to express his views, whatever they were, on subjects outside his field of expertise were wasting my time and money.
Besides, if it's outside his field, his opinion is no better than my own, and mine may be better: I may know something about it!


Second, everybody has a "don't buy from" list, for whatever reason.
I'm very happy to see the anti crowd responding to the NRA "blacklist" since it means that the boycott hurts, and they have no counter move. Evidently, theirs is nowhere as efficient as this one, they can't do anything about it, and the "beautiful people" are hurting.
Since compliance to the blacklist is voluntary, seems like justice is being done.



" And I was the first to say the Democrats were cowards for not sticking by their beliefs..."

Fair enough, but outside of the belief that they should be in charge, and we should do what we're told, just exactly what are their guiding principles? I do know that their beliefs change depending on poles, but do they really have anything not sacrificial to their urge to power?
If so, name one.

One final, and I already know I'm beating the dead horse...

"The record shows that the official policy of the Bush administration has been to arm twist and steamroller and anybody who disagreed with him was labeled a "traitor" and a "Bin laden lover".

True enough, but an endemic "problem" in a war environment. You could check some of the returns from the Pacific in WWII to see just how far this type of thing goes. But, I think, it's necessary to maintain your enemy as a demon to fight a war, since, after all, us with all our weapons in hand, who really wants to shoot anyone?

That said, have you somehow overlooked Travelgate, the FBI files, and all of the IRS audits which, by random accident, of course, somehow befell various conservative, but, also by accident, no liberal, alternative news sources?
There are many ways to make a man's life worse than death, and Clinton was not bluffing: he had the power, used it, and we live with the results NOW.

FWIW, I'm a Libertarian, although I think the whole current political mess is a lost cause, I still sometimes hope that some form of sanity will return...
 
Well...

The president's former campaign director runs a company that you can pay to help you through the process of getting contracts to rebuild Iraq.

The VP's former company gets 600 million dollars in contracts to rebuild Iraq

The VP holds a meeting on energy policy and refuses to reveal who was invited, despite being taken to court by another branch of the goverment.

The goverment passes an act that throws much of the constitution out the window

hmmm... and we thought the investment scandal's of the Clinton governor's years were bad enough to justify a 6 year partisan witchhunt during his presidency??? A witchhunt that cost millions and resulted in proving that the president was a womanizer who would perjur himself on the subject of a blowjob??? :what:

The funny thing is that in Poli Sci programs the Grant administration is always brought up as the most corrupt. Followed by Eisenhower according to a couple of my profs, though I don't know enough about it.

I supported McCain marginally during the last election. Now I am reminiscing for the "good old days" of the 90's.
 
AAK AAK... too late to do more than a skimming of the article and posts that followed (sorry)... but all I can say is that as soon as people start name-calling and throwing around the word "hate," I pretty much just assume they must not have a good argument and tune out.

Occassionally someone comes along with a funny nickname or a catchy insult, but in the end it's all just meaningless babble. I mean, do you really think that you're going to convince someone on the "other side" that you are worth listening to by pointing out that their leader is "a stupid cowboy" or a "scumbag?" No, you're merely taking your most base and childish reactions to a person (based mostly on what you hear about someone you don't know) and broadcasting them to the world - if you happen to be in a crowd that agrees with you, they will chime in like an excited band of monkeys; if you are among people who disagree with you, any hope for meaningful conversation will go down the drain and everyone will be reduced to trying to come up with the most insulting insult...

Ugh, it's so stupid and irritating, and not at all new to Clinton/Bush (though sometimes I fear it is getting worse), and I really apologize that I'm in such a bad mood tonight... I'm going to bed.
 
Great thread!

overcaffeinated, irrational liberal

That quote from the original article just about sums up the truth.
I live in SanFrancisco 9 & a half folks out of 8 is an "overcaffeinated, irrational liberal"
All the media,all the city employee's. I've had people threaten violence
against me for wearing a NRA hat!
Lucky for me they believe the propaganda about us carrying guns 24/7
(I only had a cold steel grande vaquero & a guard alaska 32oz pepperspray on me)
And the 2 thugs backed down when I refused to "get off the bus"
for wearing a NRA hat. Overcaffeinated, irrational liberal's are also cowardly as well (both of them were twice my size)
They assumed (thanks to mike moore) that I was in the KKK
because I was wearing a NRA hat
 
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