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Have you ever wavered or faltered?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by natedog, Mar 20, 2004.

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  1. natedog

    natedog Member

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    Have you, at any time after you started owning and shooting guns, been convinced in an argument or by a news source and whatnot to turn into an anti? Ever been partially convinced that guns are bad? It seems to me that once a person starts shooting seriously they never really turn back entirely.
     
  2. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

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    Nope, and I've never been tempted to take up armed robbery for fun and profit, either.
     
  3. Whitey

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    Never. In fact, my love for firearms grows steadily every day. Has so for 40 years. :)
     
  4. Atticus

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    No...but at times I wonder if things can continue the way they are, if people continue to act the way they do. I do think that gun owners and gun organizations need to be more aggressive in the areas of gun safety and crime prevention. I believe that a lot of the bad feelings toward us, and our stands, come from our use of patented phrases and rhetoric, and a lack of condemnation towards those who abuse the rights we are blessed with.
     
  5. Snowdog

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    I've been convinced by a semi-anti friend that we shouldn't be allowed to buy landmines and chemical weapons at Kmart.
    I guess I have no resolve....
     
  6. azrael

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    Snowdog,
    nah it is just that the winters in NC have been so bad here lately...your resolve is fine...bad weather weakens the hardest heart
     
  7. Ala Dan

    Ala Dan Member in memoriam

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    Nope, I try to sway the antis beliefs toward those
    of myself; that all men were created by GOD, and
    old Sam Colt made 'em equal.

    Best Wishes,
    Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
     
  8. RED-DOG 40

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    RIGHT-ON Ala Dan....My feelings exactly!!! :D
     
  9. PALEFACE

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    i had a fellow shipmate tell me once that a gun is too much power for one man to have. ill admit that he got me thinking, not about anti gun folfs or whatever just about human nature and the devil in all of us. i respected his thoughts and didn't give him any trouble about it. in the end i decided maybe it's the truth ,but man has many weapons and our ability to take life period is too much power and that is why i carry, to make sure no son of a bitch try's to end my life prematurely.
     
  10. carp killer

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    Never. A gun is in inanimate object that is no more harmful than a tool, a car or a can of gas. All the anti-gun people and media arguements are emotional and about being afraid of a piece if steel. Rarely is the debate about the people using the inanimate object. It's not POLITICALLY CORRECT. :barf: :barf: :barf:
     
  11. 7.62FullMetalJacket

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    All that is required for evil to win is for good men to do nothing. (I do not know who to attribute that too)

    Bad people do evil to others or our own. Bad people have tools that greatly magnify their abilities (i.e. guns, swords, ice picks, etc). Governments may also be made of bad men with evil intentions.

    There are more good men than bad men. Some of the good men arm themselves to keep evil at bay, whether it be criminals or tyrants.

    Society gets a free ride from a few good men where they are allowed to be armed.

    It is not difficult to figure out. If you are squeamish, get in the wagon, there are plenty of us pulling it anyway.
     
  12. Autolite

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    Nope, never have ...

    I do, however, sympathize with anti's to a degree as I haven't figured out what should be done about criminals who use firearms. I am not against the death penalty, but capital punishment doesn't seem to affect the criminal mind as much as I thought it should. I'd like to hear other opinions on what we, as a society, should be doing more of to curb gun crimes...
     
  13. Ben Shepherd

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    Autolite, the answer to the gun criminal question is this: What do you think said criminal would do if he KNEW that anytime he wanted to pull one off, someone at or near the target was armed and would shoot?

    Everyone should read the book Dial 911 and Die!!
    The police are there for general protection and solving crime only, they are not personal bodyguards.

    Society needs to remember what personal responsibilty means to its very survival. All these government programs(welfare, unemployment, social security, etc.) paid for with double, triple or quadruple taxation are, in the end, destructive to the very fabric of the society that supports it. And the fact that this very same government has thrown the moral code that the Constitution is based on in the trash makes it even worse.

    The difference in our tax burden vs. what caused the Boston tea party is staggering. If any of the original patriots were around they would be calling for another revolution. Yet we all just keep playing along because we want our piece of the pie.

    Sorry about the ramble, but the venting felt good.

    Look at South Carolinas crime stats since the DA declared open season on home invaders.

    A while back we had a restraunt held up, and the perp turned around to face severall CCW holders weapons....that type of crime has went down drastically around here.
     
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  14. Snowdog

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    "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"

    Edmund Burke



    Azrael,
    I believe you're right. This climatic attrition is likely to blame. Tell you what, on Monday I'll strengthen my resolve and march to that guy's house, pound on his front door and tell him that he's wrong about what I should buy at Kmart! I want my Spishak do-it-yourself mustard gas artillery kit with free 2004 Hello Kitty calendar!
    :D
     
  15. Werewolf

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    No one has ever come close to convincing me to be anti-gun.

    OTOH when I was doing the shooting part to qualify for my CCW permit in OK (shot at 3 and 7 yds) for about a week I was convinced that mandatory training and proof of competence with a firearm prior to permitting one to buy was in order. Some of the bufoons on the range at that time were so bad that it was pretty obvious that it was either at best the first time they'd fired their chosen weapon or at worst didn't have a clue and were just stumble bums.

    BUT - that feeling went away after I thought about the consequences of requiring mandatory training as a pre-requisite to purchase. Some of those thoughts were planted by you guys on THR!
     
  16. Barbara

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    Nope..never.

    Do I agree with the concept of violence prevention? Sure. I'm all for it, think there actually are some valuable things that can be done to help. We live in a really screwed up world. However, banning objects is not the answer to the problem. I live in a place where there are probably..hmm..5 guns per capita? And we have a very low rate of violence. But when you get to places where people live crowded together with little opportunity or ability (for whatever reason) to improve their lives or see a brighter future, violence is a given, although there are very few guns.

    I've often wished that those who truly want to prevent or lessen the amount of violence would not be encumbered by the anti-gun wing nuts out there.
     
  17. Ben Shepherd

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    The best way I've ever heard the gun banners shut down pronto is this little fact.

    You cannot asign a moral predisposition of any kind to an inanimate, soulless object, be it a gun, steak knife or baseball bat. They only react to manipulation by an entity capable of some level of thought.

    There is no way around this.
     
  18. Barbara

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    What the ASD folks fail to notice is that everything you could possibly do with a gun to cause anyone harm is already illegal. People that violate the law (let alone any kind of moral code) to murder someone is not going to be stopped by the idea that doing it with a gun is illegal. They're criminals..by definition they don't care about the law.
     
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    Um NO NEVER
     
  20. Josey

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    I just remember. A young man with 10 gunshot wounds. Domestic violence. The ex came to pick up the kids for the weekend. New boyfriend pulled up. Ex pulls out a rifle and plugs the new boyfriend 10 times. The rifle was stolen, the ex was a convicted felon, the new boyfriend was unaware, unarmed and dead. If a neighbour had been a legal CCW and armed, what might have been? I believe in firearms, self defense and protection of the meek from the wolves. I own, I CCW, I collect and I haven't had a single inanimate piece of steel whisper K I L L to me yet. Do I need Beltone?
     
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    I was not a gun owner untill about fifteen years ago. I did not know which side of the fence I should have been on. I researched the subject and first decided that in the bill of rights the right to keep and bear arms was an individual right. I also discovered that there was a lower crime rate when and where this freedom was exercised. I also found out that the best reason for the second amendment was to protect the citizens from tyranny. I belive anyone who would come into this with an open mind has to come to the same conclusion. I am now a life member of the NRA, and a certified instructor in pistol and shotgun. I instruct both for 4-H and boyscouts.
     
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    I have listened to other's arguements and held them as true for a short time but I have never changed my mind once on this issue. I have been liberal and conservative on many issues in my life, I've played hop-scotch on the political board but my position on "gun control" has always been one of disgust.
     
  24. Treylis

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    Technological progess over the ages has put more and more power into fewer and fewer hands.

    There will come a day when the ability to destroy an entire planet can be put into the hands of a single individual.

    Some say that day has already come (biological warfare), and the writer Frank Herbert wrote about such occurences in his short story "Committee of the Whole" and his novel "The White Plague". I can only hope that better countermeasures to such threats are developed before too long.
     
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    I have at times wondered if the fight is truely worth it. Some I meet are completely apathetic, yet others are so diametrically opposed to logic that it literally hurts to argue with them after just a few minutes.


    I have also wavered in my belief that a Tin Foil Beanie isnt necessary throughout life. Sometimes I wonder...[​IMG]
     
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