Zach S
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Sometimes I do, however once I start thinking logicly I return to normal.
Have you ever wavered or faltered?
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Nope, and I’ve made grate progress with my mother. She still doesn’t like guns, but her argument is that after you own 5-10 they are a waste of money. Given my age she really doesn’t have any say in the matter. She thinks I could spend my money on “better thingsâ€. My usual reply is well I could always use some more ammo.
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fallingblock
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well.....there was a time, many years ago....
It was just before the end of the Vietnam war, after I'd decided the war (and my military service) might have been a mistake, when I felt the attraction of "The Dark Side"
I hung out with the campus radicals and listened to all the "Peace, Love, and Harmony through Socialism" lectures.
When I put all the promises and hypotheses together, they didn't add up.
Especially the anti-gunner's arguments about guns 'facilitating' crime.
The Force returned and has been with me ever since, even here in the current extremely anti-gun political climate of Australia.
It was just before the end of the Vietnam war, after I'd decided the war (and my military service) might have been a mistake, when I felt the attraction of "The Dark Side"
I hung out with the campus radicals and listened to all the "Peace, Love, and Harmony through Socialism" lectures.
When I put all the promises and hypotheses together, they didn't add up.
Especially the anti-gunner's arguments about guns 'facilitating' crime.
The Force returned and has been with me ever since, even here in the current extremely anti-gun political climate of Australia.
Elarski
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Never, and I do mean NEVER! 
IMHO the other amendments aren't worth the paper they're written on without the Second Amendment. Antis just don't get it.
IMHO the other amendments aren't worth the paper they're written on without the Second Amendment. Antis just don't get it. Bruce in West Oz
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Yes.
Absolutely.
It was wrong.
Bruce
Absolutely.
It was wrong.
Bruce
The_Antibubba
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Other way around. I was a gun-hating liberal. I hadn't thought about it much, but I didn't like 'em. Then I was confronted by one. And I realized that my hate was motivated by fear. "Fear is the mindkiller". I decided to learn everything I could about guns, and decide on the basis of knowledge, instead.
Don't let anyone convince you that there is no difference between Education and Propaganda.
Don't let anyone convince you that there is no difference between Education and Propaganda.
Model520Fan
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No one knows how capital punishment affects the criminal mind today, since capital punishment is not a likely consequence of ANY crime committed in this country in the last half century. I suspect that an impartial investigation into the likely orientation of criminal minds in earlier days would clarify that likely capital punishment as a consequence of certain crimes drastically reduced but did not eliminate those crimes, particularly not eliminating so-called crimes of passion. I am sure that, historically, capital punishment as an expected consequence of an act has been far more effective than any other punishment ever permitted in this country. In a few other countries, there may be slightly more effective punishments.
There is NO gun crime in this country today. On one of the other sites, a fellow has had a 24-hour video watch on his S&W, and it has not even MOVED, much less committed a crime. In general, this is how guns behave.
If "society" desires to curb crime, the methods are quite clear to those who care (the primary method being to make it not pay, both by making punishment highly likely, and by making the punishment far more costly to the criminal than any expected benefits of the crime). Whether a gun or some other weapon is used is invenereal; what is at issue is whether a crime has been committed, and how serious a threat to life and limb has occurred. Obviously, there is some relationship between these issues and what mechanical weapons, if any, are employed, but the weapon itself isn't the crime.
dfariswheel
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If you're an average gun owner, you have several problems with that idea, starting with the fact that most of us aren't brain dead.
Most gun owners remember things, and aren't in the habit of sending our brains out to be laundered and pressed.
First rules of being a good American gun owner:
Never give up.
Never give in.
Never give an inch.
Never give a pass.
Never give out.
Most gun owners remember things, and aren't in the habit of sending our brains out to be laundered and pressed.
First rules of being a good American gun owner:
Never give up.
Never give in.
Never give an inch.
Never give a pass.
Never give out.
Ryder
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Kinda hard to harvest wild animals using your bare hands.
Even being shot hasn't caused me to doubt the safety of owning guns. It did cause me to be more cautious of others though. It's just your basic learning opportunity.
Defeatists are pretty scarce around these parts.
Even being shot hasn't caused me to doubt the safety of owning guns. It did cause me to be more cautious of others though. It's just your basic learning opportunity.
Defeatists are pretty scarce around these parts.
ninjaj448
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No!
Nathanael_Greene
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When I think of people who want to take away the right to own firearms (the way the First Amendment has been taken away), I remember my own experience.
A few weeks after buying my first firearm, I had someone try to break into my apartment. Had I been unarmed, I would've been terrified. As it is, I ran the guy off, and that was that. I called the police to report it, and they took an hour to arrive.
A few weeks after buying my first firearm, I had someone try to break into my apartment. Had I been unarmed, I would've been terrified. As it is, I ran the guy off, and that was that. I called the police to report it, and they took an hour to arrive.
Eskimo Jim
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Nope, haven't faultered. My firearms haven't committed a crime today or yesterday and won't commit one tomorrow. They can't commit a crime because they are inanimate objects.
Owning firearms have not turned me into a criminal or given me any interest in becoming a criminal despite what anti gun groups might think.
I see anti gunners are very illogical and misinformed people. I try to convert the ones that can be converted and I try to have as little to do with the ones that won't believe in reason and logic.
On how to curb gun crime, we should lock the criminal away for committing the crime. There are two important aspects of the criminal system. One, the system must sufficiently penalize the criminal for breaking societies laws. I don't think that the current prison system punishes criminals enough. I think that many criminals see prison as an opportunity to learn new techniques and skills to commit more crimes.
The other aspect is that the criminal system needs to correct the criminal's behaviour. I do believe that there are some criminals that will change their life to avoid committing crimes once they are released. Prisons should provide some assistance to criminals to learn skills that are beneficial to society and help prevent them from commiting crimes once they are released. I do believe that there are plenty of these programs already in place.
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Owning firearms have not turned me into a criminal or given me any interest in becoming a criminal despite what anti gun groups might think.
I see anti gunners are very illogical and misinformed people. I try to convert the ones that can be converted and I try to have as little to do with the ones that won't believe in reason and logic.
On how to curb gun crime, we should lock the criminal away for committing the crime. There are two important aspects of the criminal system. One, the system must sufficiently penalize the criminal for breaking societies laws. I don't think that the current prison system punishes criminals enough. I think that many criminals see prison as an opportunity to learn new techniques and skills to commit more crimes.
The other aspect is that the criminal system needs to correct the criminal's behaviour. I do believe that there are some criminals that will change their life to avoid committing crimes once they are released. Prisons should provide some assistance to criminals to learn skills that are beneficial to society and help prevent them from commiting crimes once they are released. I do believe that there are plenty of these programs already in place.
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answerguy
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I could be talked into making NICS checks available for private transactions
M2 Carbine
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No.
Anti gun arguments are so stupid I can't possibly agree with them.
Anti gun arguments are so stupid I can't possibly agree with them.
Sam Adams
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Never did, never will. The point of view of the antis is so contrary to common sense and morality that I will never fall for it. To the contrary, I use every occasion possible to try to convince the blissninnies to turn away from the Dark Side.
gulogulo1970
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Only hypotheticly. The "if all guns in the world dissapeared" line of thought.
You know, if all guns were gone there would be much fewer deaths worldwide. I cannot argue with that. True statement. All other crime would go up of course and I would hate to be an elderly person or a woman in a bad neighborhood.
Problem with this line of thinking is pretty much like the argument about highway safety. "If we all went 5MPH look how many lives it would save." Yes, again true but not very practical.
But I do have to concede the point that if all guns were gone there would be less killing. Makes me think... but it would never sway me to the other side of the gun control argument.
You know, if all guns were gone there would be much fewer deaths worldwide. I cannot argue with that. True statement. All other crime would go up of course and I would hate to be an elderly person or a woman in a bad neighborhood.
Problem with this line of thinking is pretty much like the argument about highway safety. "If we all went 5MPH look how many lives it would save." Yes, again true but not very practical.
But I do have to concede the point that if all guns were gone there would be less killing. Makes me think... but it would never sway me to the other side of the gun control argument.
Sam Adams
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gulogulo
I'm not so sure about the number of deaths being reduced - per capita murder rates in medieval England were far higher than in even the very worst places in the world today. It would be a world in which the strongest or most numerous would survive. Can you imagine a single cop armed with a short sword going up against 9 thugs armed with broadswords or battle axes?
As the saying goes: "G-d made Man, and Samuel Colt made them equal."
I'll stick with guns, thank you very much.
I'm not so sure about the number of deaths being reduced - per capita murder rates in medieval England were far higher than in even the very worst places in the world today. It would be a world in which the strongest or most numerous would survive. Can you imagine a single cop armed with a short sword going up against 9 thugs armed with broadswords or battle axes?
As the saying goes: "G-d made Man, and Samuel Colt made them equal."
I'll stick with guns, thank you very much.
Jason Demond
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Never!
Well as a group gun owners need to get more responsible. 95% of guns used in crime are stolen. Guess who their stolen from. Yep gun owners. People who don't buy good safe's and don't bother properly securing their firearms when they are away from home. It also is no help when some kid takes his dads gun and shoots his best friend. People need to teach their children better and need to secure their weapons much better. If your gun is not on your hip it should be in the safe.
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Skofnung
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Perhaps it is because I was indoctrinated from the earliest age but NEVER HAVE I FALTERED IN MY CONVICTIONS IN THIS AREA. Guns just make more sense than no guns.
Religion on the other hand is quite another matter.
Religion on the other hand is quite another matter.
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