Wow. Sounds like this is ripe for a SCOTUS challenge.
http://freebeacon.com/issues/hawaii-state-not-issue-single-gun-carry-permit-2016/
http://freebeacon.com/issues/hawaii-state-not-issue-single-gun-carry-permit-2016/
Hawaii Did Not Issue Any Gun-Carry Permits to Private Citizens in 2016
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everydefense
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"Hawaii keeps defying the United States Supreme Court rulings in Heller and McDonald," Alan Gottlieb of the Second Amendment Foundation said. "It will take getting a Supreme Court ruling to get Hawaii to issue permits. As soon as President Trump gets his nominee seated on the Court, the Hawaii de facto ban will be in the crosshairs of the gun rights movement."
danez71
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They already have a case.... I believe its still active.... that's parallel to Peruta.
Peruta filed for cert just a couple weeks ago.
Peruta filed for cert just a couple weeks ago.
MedWheeler
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So, as I read it, there are currently no subjects of the state licensed to carry a firearm, right?
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wally
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If you watch Hawaii 5-O, everyone has a gun
TV wouldn't lie
TV wouldn't lie
Squire Western
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A article I read recently said there were 183 active Hawaiian CCP's as of June, 2014. Hawaii has a population of 1.4 million.
The permits are good only in the issuing county.
Hawaii does not recognize permits from any other state.
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Some members of the 2a community here researched this a few years ago via FOIA and correspondences with HPD offices and from my knowledge they found there was one permit issued to a judge on kaua'i in 2006 and two issued to 'private citizens' on o'ahu in 2001. None on any of the other islands. Of course this research could've missed some data but I'm sure it's largely accurate. I'd like to know if the 183 permits cited in that article were to armed security guards, because the AG reports here like to include those in statistics of permits issued presumably to appear more 2a friendly. I personally applied a number of times when the Baker v. kealoha and young v. State of Hawaii suits took off, and then after the Prieto and Peruta cases got under way. The chiefs of police summarily reject applications that don't meet HRS urgent need/fear for life type requirement, and I'm sure they just have a big ole office chuckle at the applications that go on about quaint, bucolic anachronisms like the federal and HI state constitutions and their RTBA protections, like mine did.
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Cannibul
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National Reciprocity would make a total farce of Hawaii. They would be forced to allow concealed carry by citizens of other states. Their citizens could get an non-resident permit from any of several states and then be allowed to carry in Hawaii.
Of course Hawaii would then go <removed> and force the issue to the Supreme Court.
Of course Hawaii would then go <removed> and force the issue to the Supreme Court.
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everydefense
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Correct. According to the article, "since the Hawaii concealed-carry permit is only valid for one year, Hawaii was also the only state in the country not to have ANY active concealed-carry permits issued to private citizens."
I dunno if a permit is good for a calendar year, or a year from date issued, but at any rate, since it has been more than a year since any have been issued, we know that there are currently NO active CCPs in Hawaii (unless new permits have been issued since the data was collected).
Dog Soldier
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How would a National Reciprocity Law be enforced? Colorado and other states ignore the Federal Laws regarding Marijuana? Or is that a fair comparison?
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Tcruse
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You are correct on the Marijuana issue, however, that was under the Obama administration and the AG publicly stated that they would not enforce that law. However, the ATF still considers people that use Marijuana in any state as prohibited from purchase of guns. I suspect that Sessions may take a different view about enforcement.How would a National Reciprocity Law be enforced? Colorado and other states ignore the Federal Laws regarding Marijuana? Or is that a fair comparison?
Trunk Monkey
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If you watch Hawaii 5-O, everyone has a gun
TV wouldn't lie
If you watch Hawaii 5-0, everyone has a machine gun
Good question. I wouldn't rely on federal reciprocity alone until the police department acknowledges the change in law. It's one thing to be legally right, and another thing to be locked up in jail while the police department "works out the details" in the new law.How would a National Reciprocity Law be enforced? Colorado and other states ignore the Federal Laws regarding Marijuana? Or is that a fair comparison?
Dog Soldier
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I would like to see the NFA 1934 dropped. I have no idea how that would be achieved. But that law was ill conceived in my opinion. It is nothing more than a complicated punitive taxation. 
BigFatKen
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You said;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bailey_v._Drexel_Furniture_Co.
Drexel won because the purpose of a tax must be to raise money. No one should expect their new tax of 1000% to do anything but be a ban. Therefore it is not constitutional.
NFA-34 puts a $200 tax on $20.00 guns like the short bbl .410 "Handy gun" many farmers carried on tractors. Obamacare should have been killed because it was changed from "fee" to tax. All tax laws must start in the House of Rep.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bailey_v._Drexel_Furniture_Co.
Drexel won because the purpose of a tax must be to raise money. No one should expect their new tax of 1000% to do anything but be a ban. Therefore it is not constitutional.
NFA-34 puts a $200 tax on $20.00 guns like the short bbl .410 "Handy gun" many farmers carried on tractors. Obamacare should have been killed because it was changed from "fee" to tax. All tax laws must start in the House of Rep.
Ks5shooter
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NJ is just as bad,barely any. Always denied.
CoalTrain49
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How would a National Reciprocity Law be enforced? Colorado and other states ignore the Federal Laws regarding Marijuana? Or is that a fair comparison?
To begin, I don't think the fed has the resources to enforce a nat'l reciprocity law. It would be up to each individual state to comply. States like Hawaii and CA just wouldn't comply. There's already some backlash because cities won't enforce federal immigration law. The state's and cities position is it's a federal law and they aren't required to enforce federal law, which of course is correct. I think that's where the federal pot laws get ambushed. A federal nat'l reciprocity law would suffer the same fate. Your right to bear arms in all 50 states with a permit would be a civil rights issue if passed in congress but the ACLU won't be defending that right. Your only hope would be the DOJ but I learned a long time ago that depending on the fed is a dead end.
The states are about to go to war with the federal gov't. I sure as heck wouldn't want to get caught up in that with nothing more than a permit to carry. I like my own bed too much to become a pawn in a states right issue.
Speedo66
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It's not just non issue of permits, HI law says non resident LEO's carrying under LEOSA have to register with the PD within 3 days of arrival. LEOSA says it trumps all local law, so you would not have to do that. But who wants to be the test case?
HI also says resident retired LEO's must do their yearly LEOSA qualification only with their designated tester, LEOSA says anyone qualified to test to state police standards. I have a feeling somehow many would fail under the official tester. Again, would not want to be the test case.
Also, all long guns must be registered with the police.
HI also says resident retired LEO's must do their yearly LEOSA qualification only with their designated tester, LEOSA says anyone qualified to test to state police standards. I have a feeling somehow many would fail under the official tester. Again, would not want to be the test case.
Also, all long guns must be registered with the police.
JTHunter
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This sounds as if Hawaii is in a parallel fashion with Chicago. The only reason Chicago isn't as bad is that Illinois state law for CCW over-rides many (but not all) local restrictions. The "sheriff" there has objected to so many C(r)ook County residents getting their CCW permits that his name has spawned a verb for those people so victimized - "darted" by Sheriff Dart.
Cannibul
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Fixed it for ya.
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