HD shotgun "ready standby" question...

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I have seen a bazillion threads about what to load a hd/sd shotgun with...this is not a ammo selection question but something slightly different.

I usually stow my Mossberg 590 in condition 3 (bolt forward, chamber empty, safety on and ammunition in magazine tube).

However, I would like to stow my shotgun with the bolt TO THE REAR, safety on, and magazine full.

I would like to stow my Mossberg in this fashion so that I can "tactical load" the first round with a Slug shot...or if the slug is not needed, I could just work the action again for the 00B that fills the magazine tube.

Is this hard on the any of the gun's springs? Thoughts...comments...suggestions?
 
Shouldn't cause any problems with the springs. Moderns springs do not take a set (as popularly believed). Flat springs, apparently will, however.
 
Not hard on the gun.

Seems like leaving the action open is asking for crap to get inside it though.
 
Creature,

You are storing your shotty in what we call cruiser safe. Our dept. shotties get carried like this all the time with no ill effects to the magazine springs. In fact I have my Mossy 500 at home in crusier safe mode right now. Nothing will send shivers up your spine like a pump action shotgun being chambered.
 
Apparently springs wear out from compression/decompression cycles not holding tension like most people think. So, constant loading/unloading of the magazine is what is going to wear the spring out.
 
Carry the shotgun the way you do now, "cruiser safe" as we call it in the law enforcement field.

As the other poster said, leaving the action open is just asking for something to lodge inside, etc.

In addition, trying to decide, do I want the slug, no buckshot, wait no the slug would be better, etc......is again, a disaster waiting to happen.
 
I usually stow my Mossberg 590 in condition 3 (bolt forward, chamber empty, safety on and ammunition in magazine tube).

However, I would like to stow my shotgun with the bolt TO THE REAR, safety on, and magazine full.

A human will be involved 99.9999999% of the time . 00 buck first , slug , 00 , etc . Why keep the chamber open for crap to fall in ?? Thinking you are going to have time to think , " OOhhh slug time no , no, no , 00 buck time ......wait 7 shot time " is BS Only hits count who cares what they are hit from , keep hitting the target till its time to stop .................

My SLP is Con 1 . No kids , no wife , and the ones that stop over ........well NOYB :D
 
I believe in KISS. My own solution to your dilemma (yeah, I thought of it too) is to keep the magazine loaded with buckshot with one space in the magazine left empty and the SideSaddle loaded with slugs only. The gun is kept bolt closed on an empty chamber, action cocked and safety on.

Any necessary loading is always done through the loading port, the same way every time, as an established habit- ONE habit, one routine for loading, one place to put live ammo all the time (not two, loading port and ejection port).

Need a slug? Load one in the magazine on top of the buckshot, remember LIFO* (last in first out), and run it into the chamber. Need another? Same deal as before, only this time you will eject a live round of buckshot unless you took time to load another slug before you fired the first one and immediately ran the bolt, as you should always do with a pumpgun by reflex.

Think you can count shots under pressure? Maybe you can, I sure can't. It's all I can do to keep stuffing in slugs when slugs are called for. I understand why Louis Awerbuck says he isn't smart enough to run two kinds of ammo in a shotgun so he just uses slugs all the time. I'm certainly not smarter than Louis, just more stubborn.

Whatever you decide on doing, you need to establish it as a routine and then PRACTICE IT a lot. And IMHO the simpler the routines the better.

On the select slug drills on the range? Set up two targets, one for slugs and one for buck, and have a range partner behind you call the targets randomly for you to engage with the round designated for that target. Use numbers or shapes or colors for different targets and designate one target for slug and one for buck, and start with the gun in your normal standby condition. Run the drill till the gun is empty and you get to the load one shoot one stage. And concentrate on following through on your shots and getting hits, too.

After you flail around on the line for a while stuffing shells into a hot pumpgun with a safety-conscious range partner yelling SLUG! SHOOT! SHOOT QUICKLY! SHOOT! BUCKSHOT! SHOOT! SHOOT NOW! SHOOT! from behind you on your support side, you'll begin to sort out running the gun under pressure, however you set up your routine. If you've never tried it, you will be surprised how much pressure a simple drill like this can bring to bear. But make sure both of you have your safety habits well engrained in doing drills like this, and make sure you keep your muzzle downrange at all times. Even when you get frustrated...

Of course, IMHO if you can arrange it so the person doing the yelling is a certain diminuitive South African who runs Yavapai Firearms Academy, so much the better. Or Randy Cain, or any other really good shotgun instructor.

Louis says a shotgun is a thinking person's weapon. He isn't kidding.

lpl/nc

*Opposite of LIFO is FILO- first in last out.
 
Because many shotguns might go "BOOM" if dropped, and unlike a semi pistol or revolver they are somewhat quicker to load (and require two hands to use anyway, where as if you had a pistol you may want to use one hand to fend off an attacker and the other to pull and fire your already loaded pistol).

There's a discussion going on in the Handguns forums about this very issue, actually: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=302865
 
Lee Lapin said:
I believe in KISS. My own solution to your dilemma (yeah, I thought of it too) is to keep the magazine loaded with buckshot with one space in the magazine left empty and the SideSaddle loaded with slugs only. The gun is kept bolt closed on an empty chamber, action cocked and safety on.
Exactly how mine is configured, except I leave the safety off.
 
At most HD ranges a slug is just as likely to work (or more so) than buck
Not to mention far more likely than buck to penetrate a wall and damage someone/something who/that you really don't want to damage. On the other hand, buck is pretty nasty stuff when it comes to penetrating home walls as well. How about a couple rounds of #6 followed by 00 buck if absolutely necessary? After all, we're not talking about shooting a target from 20 yards way.
 
Question: What is the point of slugs for home defense where ranges are nearly always under 15yards?

Just curious, don't want a flame war going and don't mean to detract from the OP.

Personally I leave my magazine full of buckshot and there is nothing chambered. I don't like the idea of leaving the chamber open and exposed.
 
I keep mine (Maverick 88) fully loaded and 1 in the pipe right at the head of my bed, between the bed frame and night stand. 00 buck.

I live alone so I don't worry about bumping it. Bedroom is on 2nd. floor so friends/visitors don't get to visit the bedroom area.

If I know kids are coming over (hardly ever) I move the gun to a safer place.

A quick click of the safety is all I need to rock & roll, which I pray never happens.
 
Cruiser ready. Loaded magazine, chamber empy, safety on. When the shotty is cocked the pump handle will not slide like it will if the gun isn't cocked. Best bet is to keep it that way. Always assume there is one in the chamber unless you physically check, so use the action bar release to cycle the action and ready it for the first shot.

Remington 870s have no sear safety. I think Mossbergs do, but I cannot be certain. Never store a shotgun without a sear safety with a loaded chamber. It can fire since nothing is preventing the firing pin from moving.

As for ammo. Best bet, IMO is 00 Buck. One .32 cal pell hitting a human target is going to slow them up. Theer are anywhere from 7 to 12 of those in a standard 12 ga 2.75 load.

They will also spread somewhat at ranges longer than the average home defense range, which also makes them safer. The Box o truth has done 12 ga testing. But your first concern should be you, and not your neighbors, and anything less when it comes to protecting yourself is selling short. The average shotgun round after going through anything, even a wall, is going to be a lot less than you think, and may not have any energy if it makes it across the street. Probably just bounce.

Best bet is some form of low recoil loads for a HD weapon. Less velocity, but better groups, and less felt recoil. More accurate, and better follow up shots.

You need to pattern your gun if you want a HD weapon loaded with your favorite ammo. Different brands shoot to different POA. Find one you like and stick with it.
 
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