Heizer Double Tap
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Yes this is a derringer configured handgun. The gun is being made by an aircraft industry company in St Louis MO. It is said to include several newly patented technologies. The company released information last year and has been stating the gun will be released "soon" or in 6 weeks or in x month. Their current projected date is "September". One comment I've seen is they are having financial problems. In any case I have one on order (for several months now) and wanting to see if others had any information on the company and its gun (will it ever be released). The gun does have several unique features. It is very small and narrow for one thing and comes in titanium or aluminum with switchable barrels (.45 cal or 9mm). Two extra rounds in the grip. Looks to be a good "spank" pistol. It's for my wife.
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two shots of anything is cutting too close for me. for the size and weight of this gun id rather have the lot less expensive, higher capasity, .380acp.
im not saying this gun does not have self defensive value, just that there are better guns which fit this nitche.
im not saying this gun does not have self defensive value, just that there are better guns which fit this nitche.
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the Ruger LCP is as small and as light as a .380acp can get with descent features and reliablity. LWS makes a costly .380acp that is even smaller but weighs a bit more than the LCP and costs twice as much. the KT guns are nice but seemed to be "unfinished" in appearance and performance requires some work on the shooter before they are "broken in". in 9mm there are small guns as well, not light by .380acp standards, but nearly as small, though costly as well.
Mr.357Sig
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Zeke,
The smallest, lightest, thinnest 9 probably goes to the Kahr PM9. The best small 9 is the S&W M&P Shield, the Sig P938 or the Kimber Solo, IMO.
The smallest, lightest, thinnest 9 probably goes to the Kahr PM9. The best small 9 is the S&W M&P Shield, the Sig P938 or the Kimber Solo, IMO.
smalls
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I don't see these things taking off at all. They're too small, recoil is going to be ridiculous, and it only offers 2 rounds. This is, if the company can even get them out. I've heard both design flaws and financial troubles are holding them back.
hardluk1
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zeke707 If your buying for your wife you may want to take her to a gun range and try her out a kt pf9. If she does not want to shoot a pistol with more grip and same weight as the lighest version of the herzog she will never want it. Even the heavier version is close to the weight of the pf-9 with a full mag.
LET HER deside what she wants. Unless you really want a fly weight pistol. ha
Try to find a taurus tcp 738 for her to size up as far as 380's go. 10.2oz helps a bit with recoil , Way better well rounded 380 micro model than others at a price that starts at 185 lgs up to 260 . Great trigger too. I picked one up and so far found nothing it won't shoot including 6 different HP brands. with a 150 rounds fired so far.
See what any buddies have your lady can try out. Most ranges , if you buy ammo they will mostly let you shoot the rental guns from the different compaies they have.
LET HER deside what she wants. Unless you really want a fly weight pistol. ha
Try to find a taurus tcp 738 for her to size up as far as 380's go. 10.2oz helps a bit with recoil , Way better well rounded 380 micro model than others at a price that starts at 185 lgs up to 260 . Great trigger too. I picked one up and so far found nothing it won't shoot including 6 different HP brands. with a 150 rounds fired so far.
See what any buddies have your lady can try out. Most ranges , if you buy ammo they will mostly let you shoot the rental guns from the different compaies they have.
sig228
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Yawn....I was very excited about this when first announced. But after the delay, I just lost interest. Too bad. I'm sure they could have sold quite a few if they had timely market delivery.
threefortyduster
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I agree with you there, the TCP is nice. My wife has a 732 and the recoil is very manageable (being .32 helps too). I am about to pick up a 738 for myself.
Rohrbaugh R9
Caliber:9mm
Barrel:2.9in
Length:5.2in
Height:3.7in
Weight:13.5oz
Capacity:6+1 Rounds
Kahr PM9 / CM9
Caliber:9mm
Barrel:3.1in
Length: 5.42in
Height: 4.0in
Slide Width: .90in
Weight: Pistol 14 ounces, Magazine 1.9 ounces
Capacity: 6+1
Kahr MK9
Caliber:9mm
Barrel:3.0in
Length: 5.3in
Height: 4.0in
Slide Width: .90in
Weight: Pistol 22.1 ounces, Magazine 1.9 ounces
Capacity: 6+1
The Boberg is taller height wise but shorter OAL:
Boberg XR9-S (Shorty)
Caliber:9mm
Barrel:3.35in
Length:5.1in
Height:4.2in
Width: .96in
Weight:17.5oz
Capacity:7+1 Rounds
So I think the MK9 is the pistol with the third smallest footprint overall. Not only is the Rohrbaugh smaller but the Boberg as well.
But the others, Diamondback DB9, the Sig P290, Kimber Solo are larger than the MK9 - mostly going by OAL - going off of the manufacturer's specs as stated on their website:
Diamondback DB9
Caliber:9mm
Barrel:3.0in
Length:5.60in - longer than the MK9
Height: 4.0in - same height as MK9
Width:0.80in - thinner than the MK9
Weight:11oz - lighter than the MK9
Capacity:6+1 Rounds
SIG SAUER P290
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 2.9in
Length: 5.5in - longer than the MK9
Height: 3.9in - shorter than the MK9
Width: 0.9in - 1.1in w/slide catch (roughly the same width as MK9, Kahr lists the width of the slide only)
Weight: 20.5 ounces w/magazine - lighter than the MK9
Capacity: 6+1
Kimber Solo
Caliber:9mm
Barrel:2.7in
Length:5.5in - longer than the MK9
Height:3.9in - shorter than the MK9
Width: 1.2in - wider than the MK9
Weight:17oz - lighter than the MK9
Capacity:6+1 Rounds
Beretta Nano
Caliber:9mm
Barrel:3.07in
Length: 5.63in
Height: 4.17in
Width: .90in
Weight: 17.67 ounces
Capacity: 6+1
Ruger LC9
Caliber:9mm
Barrel:3.12in
Length: 6.0in
Height: 4.5in
Slide Width: .90in
Weight: 17.10 ounces
Capacity: 7+1
Glock 26
Caliber:9mm
Barrel:3.46in
Length:6.29in
Height:4.17in
Weight:19.75 oz w/o magazine
Capacity:10+1 Rounds
Caliber:9mm
Barrel:2.9in
Length:5.2in
Height:3.7in
Weight:13.5oz
Capacity:6+1 Rounds
Kahr PM9 / CM9
Caliber:9mm
Barrel:3.1in
Length: 5.42in
Height: 4.0in
Slide Width: .90in
Weight: Pistol 14 ounces, Magazine 1.9 ounces
Capacity: 6+1
Kahr MK9
Caliber:9mm
Barrel:3.0in
Length: 5.3in
Height: 4.0in
Slide Width: .90in
Weight: Pistol 22.1 ounces, Magazine 1.9 ounces
Capacity: 6+1
The Boberg is taller height wise but shorter OAL:
Boberg XR9-S (Shorty)
Caliber:9mm
Barrel:3.35in
Length:5.1in
Height:4.2in
Width: .96in
Weight:17.5oz
Capacity:7+1 Rounds
So I think the MK9 is the pistol with the third smallest footprint overall. Not only is the Rohrbaugh smaller but the Boberg as well.
But the others, Diamondback DB9, the Sig P290, Kimber Solo are larger than the MK9 - mostly going by OAL - going off of the manufacturer's specs as stated on their website:
Diamondback DB9
Caliber:9mm
Barrel:3.0in
Length:5.60in - longer than the MK9
Height: 4.0in - same height as MK9
Width:0.80in - thinner than the MK9
Weight:11oz - lighter than the MK9
Capacity:6+1 Rounds
SIG SAUER P290
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 2.9in
Length: 5.5in - longer than the MK9
Height: 3.9in - shorter than the MK9
Width: 0.9in - 1.1in w/slide catch (roughly the same width as MK9, Kahr lists the width of the slide only)
Weight: 20.5 ounces w/magazine - lighter than the MK9
Capacity: 6+1
Kimber Solo
Caliber:9mm
Barrel:2.7in
Length:5.5in - longer than the MK9
Height:3.9in - shorter than the MK9
Width: 1.2in - wider than the MK9
Weight:17oz - lighter than the MK9
Capacity:6+1 Rounds
Beretta Nano
Caliber:9mm
Barrel:3.07in
Length: 5.63in
Height: 4.17in
Width: .90in
Weight: 17.67 ounces
Capacity: 6+1
Ruger LC9
Caliber:9mm
Barrel:3.12in
Length: 6.0in
Height: 4.5in
Slide Width: .90in
Weight: 17.10 ounces
Capacity: 7+1
Glock 26
Caliber:9mm
Barrel:3.46in
Length:6.29in
Height:4.17in
Weight:19.75 oz w/o magazine
Capacity:10+1 Rounds
hardluk1
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missed the pf-9
ABBOBERG
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It is refreshing to see new life breathed into centuries-old Derringer technology. If Heizer is a small startup like ours, I know what they are going through.
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Heizer now says Sept-Oct. Was Sept. I'd sure like to understand the reason(s) for the current delay. Some time back Heizer did release a memo outlining the then current status of the project. Short of manufacturing and/or technical issues, possibly they can't meet projected orders so they are building up stock before releasing. My wife likes the white colored version. She doesn't like other suggestions. 
Andrew Wyatt
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she will hate shooting it.
I handled a couple at shot, and they were not comfortable at all.
I handled a couple at shot, and they were not comfortable at all.
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I'll say. As much as I like the design, that thing is gonna back up like a truck when you fire it- even with 9mm.
As a means of comparison, my stainless Ruger SBH in .44 Magnum (3 pounds) has a free recoil velocity of 19.6 fps and a free recoil energy of 17.8 fpe with a 240 gr. JHP handload leaving the barrel at 1300 fps and it is the "upper boundary" of shooting comfort (for me).
The Heizer (@ 14 oz.) with a 9mm 115 gr. JHP leaving the barrel at an estimated* 960 fps has a free recoil velocity of 22.2 fps and a free recoil energy of 6.7 fpe- tolerable, but not a lot of fun given the smallish grip of that little blaster.
With a 230 gr. .45-caliber JHP leaving the muzzle of the 14 oz. Heizer at an estimated 725 fps, the numbers increase for a free recoil velocity of 31.8 fps and a free recoil energy of 13.8 fpe. That's gonna be pretty unpleasant for most folks, especially those who are "recoil sensitive".
I hope that they come out soon as I missed the bus on the "Downsizer" pistols and wouldn't mind grabbing one of these....in 9mm.
*Using data from the ballistics-by-the-inch website
As a means of comparison, my stainless Ruger SBH in .44 Magnum (3 pounds) has a free recoil velocity of 19.6 fps and a free recoil energy of 17.8 fpe with a 240 gr. JHP handload leaving the barrel at 1300 fps and it is the "upper boundary" of shooting comfort (for me).
The Heizer (@ 14 oz.) with a 9mm 115 gr. JHP leaving the barrel at an estimated* 960 fps has a free recoil velocity of 22.2 fps and a free recoil energy of 6.7 fpe- tolerable, but not a lot of fun given the smallish grip of that little blaster.
With a 230 gr. .45-caliber JHP leaving the muzzle of the 14 oz. Heizer at an estimated 725 fps, the numbers increase for a free recoil velocity of 31.8 fps and a free recoil energy of 13.8 fpe. That's gonna be pretty unpleasant for most folks, especially those who are "recoil sensitive".
I hope that they come out soon as I missed the bus on the "Downsizer" pistols and wouldn't mind grabbing one of these....in 9mm.
*Using data from the ballistics-by-the-inch website
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