VARifleman
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Gura, in his talk to the VCDL, said that since it was a declared violation of civil rights, the city will have to pay fees to Gura and his team.
Heller v. D.C - it's on AGAIN!
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Bartholomew Roberts
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Yes, Gura will collect his fees from the city of D.C. as well - so D.C. is not only paying for Akins-Gump and another law firm (in addition to their own attorneys), they are also paying Heller's costs on the last case.
It looks real likely to me that they'll be paying Heller's costs on this case as well; though I don't think this one will make it to SCOTUS. I think the Circuit Court of Appeals will be as far as it goes and SCOTUS will deny cert to the D.C. appeal.
It looks real likely to me that they'll be paying Heller's costs on this case as well; though I don't think this one will make it to SCOTUS. I think the Circuit Court of Appeals will be as far as it goes and SCOTUS will deny cert to the D.C. appeal.
ConstitutionCowboy
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I hope all who believe this are wrong. It'll mean another hodgepodge of rulings, confusion, delays, and uncertainty. Personally, I'd like the Court to slam the door on all the infringements upon the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. I know it won't happen that way, but I wouldn't be surprised if it did. Even those on the Court have limitations as to what they'll put up with. I'd be willing to help enforce such a positive ruling, too.
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Our government was designed by our Founding Fathers to fit within the framework of our rights and not vise versa. Any other "interpretation" of the Constitution is either through ignorance or is deliberately subversive. B.E. Wood
Thernlund
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ConstitutionCowboy said:
I believe it, and like you, I as well hope that we who do are wrong.
-T.
Seminole
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Which is to say that the D.C. taxpayers are paying the legal fees. If the politicians and bureaucrats had to pay these fees personally, they would be a lot more careful about enacting such nonsense, especially after having been told fairly explicitly by SCOTUS to knock it off!
Thernlund
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As DC is a federal district, is it not federal tax money that pay for such things? In other words, OUR tax money?Seminole said:
-T.
EDIT: Wiki seems to have the answer, whatever it means...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington,_D.C.#Government
I believe that the courts will say
Supreme Court's decision
legal junk
Any registration is an infringement. This does not challenge qualifications on the sale of arms."
legal mumbo jumbo
If mayor fenty does not knock it off, we are going to hold him in contempt.
legal smack down ensues
It is so ordered.
Supreme Court's decision
legal junk
Any registration is an infringement. This does not challenge qualifications on the sale of arms."
legal mumbo jumbo
If mayor fenty does not knock it off, we are going to hold him in contempt.
legal smack down ensues
It is so ordered.
Thernlund
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lamazza said:
Can you imagine seeing that on CNN? Military vehicles and troops rolling into the nation's capital. They declare martial law and remove the local gov't.
Can you even close your eyes and imagine seeing things on the news that you only ever saw go on it other countries far, far away? Things you saw when the wall fell, for example? Things that at the time you could never envision in your darkest dreams happening here?
When I close my eyes and imagine seeing such things, I get chills and my heart sinks to the pit or my stomach.
-T.
I think he meant more along the lines similar to when the Guard and Federal Marshals escorted a little girl to school. But like you, I distain that thought.
I would much rather Congress exercise it's authority to arm the militia... and issue a 1911, 2 mags, and a day's training to every willing citizen of D.C. who can pass a background check.
I would much rather Congress exercise it's authority to arm the militia... and issue a 1911, 2 mags, and a day's training to every willing citizen of D.C. who can pass a background check.
It might actualy be cheap. Most of D.C. is black, and over 30% of blacks are prohibited persons in the US. An even higher rate in inner city communities like D.C. (offset by a lower rate in suburban areas.)
Half of D.C.'s population is commuters that commute into the city to work, and do not technicaly reside in D.C. (making them great targets, because even if residents get the right to defend themselves they still won't be able to.)
Another segment would choose not to accept the firearm.
That leaves you with only a small segment of those present in the city qualifying to possess arms.
Look at it this way Gura has gone from a no-name lawyer to someone who has successfully gone head to head with an entire city, and won, in front of the United States Supreme Court, no less, and on an issue directly defining the meaning of one fo the original 10 amendments collectively called the Bill of Rights.
Gura has gone from being a very good lawyer, but one of 10,000 or so very good high priced lawyer, to a lawyer who can stake a claim to being in the top 10 currently practicing law. He could walk into any major lawfirm and ask to be made senior partner and they woudl do it. He can charge up the wahzoo now.
I see it as a 4 year investment to skyrocket a law career, so in this case, legal council pays for itself, in spades.
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Yes, but the criminals have to guess whose who! In that scenario, D.C. loses it's trophy for Most Gun Crime and the law abiding D.C. residents still win.
It's different, I think: in this case, it'd be in our favor, and it'd be like liberating an oppressed people - like seeing video of Allied soldiers rolling into Paris after WWII.
I'd say the status quo makes my stomach sick, not such an action. Action, in this case, would be correcting the wrong.
armedandsafe
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Personally,I hope Congress sits on that bill for a long time. I think it will be better for us if the rules are spelled out in a series of court actions, rather than by fiat from Daddy.
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W.E.G.
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Typical DC government.
Their mouthes' writing checks that...
Their mouthes' writing checks that...
Sistema1927
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Regardless of outcome, Dick Heller is a defender of freedom, and enters history as a hero.
Thernlund
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Caimles said:
I don't even care who's favor it's in. The thought of our own military rolling on our nation's capital scares me to my core.
I guarantee you, seeing such a thing live on CNN or MSNBC would be on the same "Oh... my... GOD" level as watching the World Trade Center fall.
At the end of the day, Federal Marshals are a better idea. Troops in the streets of Washington D.C., regardless of the reason, are our worst fears realized.
-T.
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Federal Marshall are all that would be required, absent any armed resistance from city hall.
Man, Declaring Martial Law ANYWHERE in the U.S. is a scary prospect, let alone the Capital. And, after what happened with the Marines in the L.A. Riots, it's unlikely to EVER happen again. (Long story short, Police Officers have a VERY different meaning of "Cover Me," than Marines Do. Cover Me to a police officer means "Watch." Cover me to a Marine is, "Start Putting Rounds where I'm headed until I get there." The Marines were not used in the LA Riots after that happened. 
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My Second point, is Way to go D.C. Police. Yet again, they show their ignorance. Machine Guns that I've seen, (NOT To be confused with Semi, or Fully Automatic Rifles!) Load from the Top or the side. NOT the bottom. So, if semi/fully auto weapons that load from the bottom are Machine Guns, What are Machine Guns that load from the top?
) My Second point, is Way to go D.C. Police. Yet again, they show their ignorance. Machine Guns that I've seen, (NOT To be confused with Semi, or Fully Automatic Rifles!) Load from the Top or the side. NOT the bottom. So, if semi/fully auto weapons that load from the bottom are Machine Guns, What are Machine Guns that load from the top?
Poper
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Does this mean my Tikka T3, Browning A-Bolt and old Remington 788 (all bolt actions with detachable box magazines) are machine guns?
Is that possible?
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