Help choose my next press.

[Laphroaig]

As much as I like the lil LEE turret I'm not sure I'd punish it with bottleneck brass (not even 223).

When I first read your OP, I thought "what this guy needs is a good single stage press." I personally don't own any Lee presses, but the above quote makes me a little suspicious of the turret. I do own a Rockchucker that I bought in 1980 and it is a rock solid unit that will be loading long after I'm in the grave. That Rockchucker kit that LD13 posted gets you some good gear to go with the press and is within your price range.

If it takes you longer than 30 seconds to swap dies you're doing something wrong.

 

[drband]

Just a note in passing: the Lee Classic cast iron turret press is entirely capable of loading bottleneck cartridges. The cheaper aluminum base turret (Value Turret press) not so much.

I find the back ‘n forth press recommendation banter to be entertaining, by the way!

 

[RealGun]

It sounds like you've already seen enough to make this decision. It's easy to crank out 150 rounds on a Lee ClassicTurret (LCT), and its ability to accommodate multiple calibers is very good. And it is less complicated, once you understand the primer feeder is some kind of sick joke you don't really need anyway (just stick the primer in the cup with your fingers). And it fits well within your budget.

Another nice thing about an LCT is it's always going to be useful. Even if you buy a Dillon in the future the LCT will always be great for decapping and bullet pulling, load development, and production runs of calibers where 200 rounds is a lot.

I load and shoot hundreds of rounds per week of 9mm, 38 special and 357 mag using my LCT. If I had to make thousands per week of a single load and didn't mind the hulking machine, I'd have a Dillon 650 - but spend more than 400 bucks on it before done. A lot more. Hopefully others can fill in the picture regarding cheaper-than-dillon progressives like the Lee LoadMaster or Hornady LnL, but I'm thinking by the time you buy dies and accessories they will challenge your budget and your described usage and priorities fit the LCT a lot better, anyway.

My primer feed works perfectly on my LCT, although I had to learn to adjust it to the right angle.

My LCT rides on a high mount by Inline Fabrications. It is an angled model that sets the press back from the bench edge by about 3.5" minimum. You do have the disadvantage of needing to drill a hole in the bench top to accept the primer drop tube. There is a straight up alternate model that allows setting the press even with the bench edge, so the drop tube will clear. In that case, assuming it can be adapted to the high mount, one of the Lee bench adapters could be used, so the press could be easily removed when not in use.

 

[RealGun]

I find the press red vs blue debates to be pointless arguments. If you are doing the preparation correctly, you will spend far more time prepping brass than running a press.......

Strikes me as disjointed logic. Red versus blue is more about the amount of headaches involved in one versus the other. Seems like neither is a deal breaker and both have significant followings.

That being said, I can appreciate well made tools, however a progressive will simply amplify any mistakes you make.

Don't see how. Got an example?

Isn't the whole point of handloading to make the best possible, and safest ammunition you can, in pursuit of accuracy?

Certainly for handguns, a significantly different perspective than rifles, I believe it is more common to reload to be less conscious of the cost of ammunition when shooting. Works for me.

I also question the need to blow through many hundreds of rounds of ammo per week, if you are doing that it's probably cheaper to buy surplus ammo in bulk, and save a lot of time in the process.

Probably not cheaper, but yes, some cartridges are marginal, if just trying to save money.

 

[Dudedog]

OP wants to load 8 calibers.
Not including scale, case trimmer and other misc stuff

So roughly 8 sets of dies @ $40 ea (you can spend more on dies, but to keep it simple lets call it 40) =$320 (shell holder come with Lee dies, so you wouldn't need shell holders)
Lee LCT ~$100
Turrets 8 *$15 = $120
So $540

I will assume $40 a set for dies for the Dillon and LNL as well.
I am also not adding in cost for PTXs for the LNL, or bases for the measure, don't know what you would need to do the same on the Dillon but I would venture it would add $100-$200 to the costs for the progressives.

(progressives do come in green and other colors just doing Red and Blue)

I would think the cost of caliber conversion for a Dillon for 8 calibers would be quite a bit more
Shell plates for a Dillon are what about $35 ea? 8*$35 =$280
Toolheads for the Dillon are about the same $35 ea? So another $280
So $560 to change on the Dillon vs $120 for the Lee.

Dillon 550 about $480 so total $480+$560+$320 = ~$1360
(manual index 550, 4 stations, guessing at least $300 more for a 5 station auto index 650)

You would need shell plates and bushings for a LNL as well so
LNL Shell plates 8@$35 ea = $280
Bushings 3 for $12 so 8*$12 =$96 lets call it $100
So $380 for caliber conversions for a LNL, a little cheaper than the Dillon but still lots more than for the LCT

Hornady LNL about $400 so total $400+$380+$320 = ~$1100

So we have
Turret $540
Dillon 550 $1360 (+powder measure stuff so add $100-200)
Hornady LNL $1100 (+powder measure stuff so add $100-200)

so either of those progressive options are twice as much money.
(not saying these are exact numbers, but they should be close)


Nothing wrong with Dillons (I happen to own an LNL and a Lee turret) but the cost to go with a progressive vs the turret is quite large.
OP said 150 rnds of .44 a week + small QTYs of others maybe more .38/.357, so given the QTY required I would not recommend a progressive.
It was mentioned the OP could save before buying the press, the OP could but the LCT save and add a progressive later for higher volume calibers.
It also sounds like the OPs friend has both a LCT and a Dillon so he has had a chance to use both.

I would say buy the LCT to start.

Don't load .44, but do load .357, 9mm and .45 (and others)
Good cost savings on all of the above,
not as much on 9mm and .45 but quite a bit on .357 I would imagine on .44 you would save quite a bit as well.. (assuming you don't shoot up the savings)

so why are you looking at LEE yes Lee makes stuff that works but so does harbor freight now I'm not bashing lee but if i had $400. to spend on Reloading equipment I would be looking for better quality even if you buy used

????
Ok so if we are not bashing Lee, why are just casting all Lee and Harbor Freight products in as undesirable?

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I love this line of thinking, I had one Chevy-Ford-Dodge-Honda-BMW (fill in blank) that was bad so everything they make must be bad, hmm seem to remember something about that from Logic 101.
I have loaded probably 20000 rounds on my old inexpensive 3 hole Lee "Deluxe" AL turret and it still seems to work fine.
Press cost roughly .003 per round (60/20000 only the press not other stuff)
I think that's pretty good value for the same cost as 2 steak dinners, 4 pizzas, or 7 1/4 with cheese meals.

Curious what do you feel is wrong with the quality of a LCT or other Lee press?
Specific examples would be helpful and informative if you have some.

 

[Laphroaig]

Just a note in passing: the Lee Classic cast iron turret press is entirely capable of loading bottleneck cartridges. The cheaper aluminum base turret (Value Turret press) not so much.

Point taken. I didn't know that there were 2 versions.

 

[ADKWOODSMAN]

Go with post #5 the RCBS deal.

I started reloading in 1968 after college. Looked at all the tools available almost went with Herters and Lyman. Settled for RCBS and still use my old Junior today. I load about 2500 rounds each year for competition. USPSA, IDPA and the most fun SASS.

The single stage is the way to go for the volume you intend 150 per week and a few rifle rounds. Also when I am on the range and the clock is running I know all my rounds will go bang and with the proper amount of powder because i have looked in every case under my shop light!!!

 

[RealGun]

Go with post #5 the RCBS deal.

I started reloading in 1968 after college. Looked at all the tools available almost went with Herters and Lyman. Settled for RCBS and still use my old Junior today. I load about 2500 rounds each year for competition. USPSA, IDPA and the most fun SASS.

The single stage is the way to go for the volume you intend 150 per week and a few rifle rounds. Also when I am on the range and the clock is running I know all my rounds will go bang and with the proper amount of powder because i have looked in every case under my shop light!!!

If RCBS made a turret like Lee does, I expect you would not be suggesting a single stage for handgun ammo. The turret is just too easy.

 

[ray15]

My primer feed works perfectly on my LCT, although I had to learn to adjust it to the right angle.

Gee, why didn't I think of that?

There are many problems with the Safety Prime when used with the LCT.

1. Since there is only one angle where it is going to work, there should be only one angle possible. Bad design.
2. You may not be able to achieve that one angle. The pez dispenser hits the aluminum turret support before you can on mine.
3. Even if you can achieve 'the angle', there is so much play in the interface between the Safety Prime and the mounting bracket that just the change in weight between there being 100 primers in it and 50 ruins the delicate balance, should you ever achieve it.
4. The trough is under-designed, and flexes like a wet noodle, further reducing the chances that you will achieve and maintain 'the angle'.

I've invested far more time in this thing than it deserves. I've bought new parts, made spacers, modified parts, tried every angle possible, and the best I can hope for is to only put 4 or 5 primers out of 100 on the floor. It used to really bother me until I figured out I could just pick up the next primer and stick it in the primer arm faster than I could operate Lee's salvation from doing just that. The Safety Prime is no faster when it works, and brings along with it tremendous possibility of things not working.

 

[Whiterook808]

First, I'd think about an Inline Fabrication instamount, so you can dismount the press and store it when it is not in use. Lee also makes such a mount if you decide to buy a Lee press, but I think the Inline stuff is much better. They make top plates for other tools such as timming lathes and vices as well. Second, Lyman has introduced a new line of presses, so their current models have been selling really cheap. You might find a deal on the T-Mag turret press.

https://inlinefabrication.com/colle...ts/flush-mount-quick-change-system-base-plate

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Lyma...VCtVkCh1fKgxIEAQYASABEgIXivD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

I am not interested in debating brand X vs. Y, just suggesting alternatives.

Happy New Year!

 

[thomas15]

If the budget is $400.00 to get up and running from scratch then the OP has basically no where to go but to the Lee store. So it's just a matter of which Lee model or kit to settle on. If the OP can save up another $200.00-$400.00 then things change dramatically.

The thing to do is to determine exactly what the handloading priorities are and what the current appetite is, not how many calibers you currently own or want to own. If you are handloading 150 rounds/week or 650 rounds/month or 7800 rounds/year of handgun ammo you will be absolutely thankful if you get a progressive press either a Hornady or Dillon. A single stage or turret at that volume will, in time, become a curse or worse.

I consume 8000 rounds 9mm, 2500 rounds 38 and 1000 rounds 45 acp plus some .223 and 30-06 and at the rate I need ammo the 400+ rounds per hour I get out of my progressive seems slow, if I tried this on my single stage or turret then I would be looking for a room at the institution. But that's just me.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

Wow. This thread exploded. So, the first thing I need to clear up is my friend with the reloading gear moved away last year, so I no longer have access to him or his stuff.

Someone compared Lee to Harbor Freight, and that got my attention. I hate Harbor Freight. Their stuff is all Chinesium and it doesn't last. I'm not interested in spending $200-300 on a press that is done and has to be replaced in 2-3 years. That will cost more than whatever money I save. So if Lee stuff is that failure prone, I'd like to know now.

I'm a little concerned about the comments to not load bottle-necked cartridges on a Lee turret press. 2/3 of my guns are bottle-neck calibers.

Surplus ammo isn't an option for me. I don't know of any surplus 44 or 38/357 or 30-30. The surplus stocks of 30-06 seemed to have dried up, and I never bought any of it anyway, because I live in Alaska, and FedEx/UPS adds an $86 PER CONTAINER (not per order) additional surcharge to ammo shipped to AK. Midway and almost every other online retailer won't even ship ammo to AK at ANY price-even if I was willing to pay it.

Dudedog, thanks for the extensive price break down of all of those expenses I hadn't taken into consideration. I don't need to buy dies for every caliber I own on day one, but I appreciate your shining some light in that direction.

 

[RealGun]

Gee, why didn't I think of that?

There are many problems with the Safety Prime when used with the LCT.

Only yours, I guess. Like I said, mine works perfectly. One of us is missing something.

1. Since there is only one angle where it is going to work, there should be only one angle possible. Bad design.

Mine is quite adjustable. The primer dispenser must approach from a critical angle.

2. You may not be able to achieve that one angle. The pez dispenser hits the aluminum turret support before you can on mine.

Again, no problem here. Are we both talking about the cast turret? You did write "LCT".

3. Even if you can achieve 'the angle', there is so much play in the interface between the Safety Prime and the mounting bracket that just the change in weight between there being 100 primers in it and 50 ruins the delicate balance, should you ever achieve it.

MIne tolerates some play with no problem. The wide mouth of the dispenser hits the primer button squarely every time. I didn't realize I was so skilled at running it. I note no difference between 50 or 100 in the tray.

4. The trough is under-designed, and flexes like a wet noodle, further reducing the chances that you will achieve and maintain 'the angle'.

No flex here. It is quite rigid. You might ask Lee for a replacement.

I've invested far more time in this thing than it deserves. I've bought new parts, made spacers, modified parts, tried every angle possible, and the best I can hope for is to only put 4 or 5 primers out of 100 on the floor. It used to really bother me until I figured out I could just pick up the next primer and stick it in the primer arm faster than I could operate Lee's salvation from doing just that. The Safety Prime is no faster when it works, and brings along with it tremendous possibility of things not working.

Sorry you weren't able to get it running. The angle adjustment is the only thing that was a bother in the beginning.

 

[thomas15]

Someone compared Lee to Harbor Freight, and that got my attention. I hate Harbor Freight. Their stuff is all Chinesium and it doesn't last. I'm not interested in spending $200-300 on a press that is done and has to be replaced in 2-3 years. That will cost more than whatever money I save. So if Lee stuff is that failure prone, I'd like to know now.

I am perhaps one of if not the biggest critic of Lee on this and other forums. But it's not because it will not last more than a few years. My main complaint is the over selling that many posters don't seem to be able to control. What you are contemplating comes under the broad range of tools, and with tools you get what you pay for. Lee markets to the entry level/beginner/budget. That is their target customer. Their products work that is not in doubt. But for a little more money over Lee prices you get a lot more quality, ease of use and pride of ownership.

To many it appears that isn't enough to buy anything other than Lee. To others, me included, this is a hobby and I spend a lot of time even with progressives, making ammo that I then proceed to shoot. Even in the dead of winter here I have in December shot in excess of 1000 rounds either 9mm or 38 spl. Since this is a hobby and I shoot what I make, I want fast presses, robust tools that speed things up and are easy on the fingers and I keep on my shelve a lot of handloading components and spare parts for my tools.

I know that there are many who buy powder at 1 pound at a time and a 1000 pc box of primers is a major purchase. Not me this week the mail man delivered 8000 coated bayou bullets and that is just a small portion of my bullet stash. I like to keep the pumps primed. I should say though, I have been around firearms for 50 years. However in the last 5 years I have put shooting sports at the top of my non-work activities list.

 

[LUCKYDAWG13]

I was the one who compared Lee to Harbor Freight And like i said it will work it's just not that great of quality I doubt that you could tell the difference of a bullet loaded by a lee press or a Coax but you sure can tell the difference when you make them

 

[RealGun]

I am perhaps one of if not the biggest critic of Lee on this and other forums. But it's not because it will not last more than a few years. My main complaint is the over selling that many posters don't seem to be able to control. What you are contemplating comes under the broad range of tools, and with tools you get what you pay for. Lee markets to the entry level/beginner/budget. That is their target customer. Their products work that is not in doubt. But for a little more money over Lee prices you get a lot more quality, ease of use and pride of ownership.

To many it appears that isn't enough to buy anything other than Lee. To others, me included, this is a hobby and I spend a lot of time even with progressives, making ammo that I then proceed to shoot. Even in the dead of winter here I have in December shoot almost 1000 rounds either 9mm or 38 spl. Since this is a hobby and I shoot what I make, I want fast presses, robust tools that speed things up and are easy on the fingers and I keep on my shelve a lot of handloading components and spare parts for my tools.

I know that there are many who buy powder at 1 pound at a time and a 1000 pc box of primers is a major purchase. Not me this week the mail man delivered 8000 coated bayou bullets and that is just a small portion of my bullet stash. I like to keep the pumps primed. I should say though, I have been around firearms for 50 years. However in the last 5 years I have put shooting sports at the top of my non-work activities list.

For practical purposes, there is no better turret press than the Lee Cast Turret. Mine has some real counts on it, and I see no sign of it failing in any way. Other Lee presses can be whole different matters.

 

[dranrab]

How about a press with no overhang at all? Another 10% off through tomorrow. https://www.natchezss.com/rcbs-summit-single-stage-press.html

 

[Arkansas Paul]

There are several Lee products that I like and a few I don't.
I like their pistol dies, in fact if they cost the same as RCBS and Lyman, I'd still likely buy Lee dies.

I have the standard turret press (not the classic) and I do enjoy it. It works great, but all I've ever used it for is handgun ammo.
For bottle neck rifle stuff, I opt for the single stage. With trimming so important, and the fact that I weigh and trickle each charge for rifle, I just don't see where using a turret or a progressive for that would benefit me much at all.

I will say this, and it is just my opinion. While I like Lee presses and dies just fine, I despise their scales and powder measures. They are made largely of plastic and feel cheap when you use them (at least to me).
The Lee single stage press and the turret are good products.
I will pay the extra for a solid quality powder measure or scale. And it sucks because Lee has some good ideas with their measure. I love the fact that you can take the hopper off and dump your powder back into the canister. But I can't get over how cheap it feels. I feel like I'm going to break the darn thing every time I throw a charge. It may be because I cut my teeth on an RCBS Uniflow that the only plastic part on it is the hopper. It just feels like quality.

So to recap, I would recommend their presses and dies, but personally would recommend going elsewhere for the other tools. You could do so with a $400 budget (not including dies).
Again, this is my opinion. Others are happy with all of their Lee equipment.

 

[dh1633pm]

Co-Ax is the way to go. Can't go wrong. Problem is their warranty is worthless. Can't use it, because their press won't break. Cheap marketing ploy. Joking aside, there are many good choices hear. Hence all the brands and loyal following.

 

[horsey300]

Wow. This thread exploded. So, the first thing I need to clear up is my friend with the reloading gear moved away last year, so I no longer have access to him or his stuff.

Someone compared Lee to Harbor Freight, and that got my attention. I hate Harbor Freight. Their stuff is all Chinesium and it doesn't last. I'm not interested in spending $200-300 on a press that is done and has to be replaced in 2-3 years. That will cost more than whatever money I save. So if Lee stuff is that failure prone, I'd like to know now.

I'm a little concerned about the comments to not load bottle-necked cartridges on a Lee turret press. 2/3 of my guns are bottle-neck calibers.

Surplus ammo isn't an option for me. I don't know of any surplus 44 or 38/357 or 30-30. The surplus stocks of 30-06 seemed to have dried up, and I never bought any of it anyway, because I live in Alaska, and FedEx/UPS adds an $86 PER CONTAINER (not per order) additional surcharge to ammo shipped to AK. Midway and almost every other online retailer won't even ship ammo to AK at ANY price-even if I was willing to pay it.

Dudedog, thanks for the extensive price break down of all of those expenses I hadn't taken into consideration. I don't need to buy dies for every caliber I own on day one, but I appreciate your shining some light in that direction.

The Lee VALUE press is NOT worth it, but the CLASSIC CAST is invaluable, big difference. I'll add a photo soon...
Lct, frankford digital compact scale on sale $25, autodrum if you can, if not it can wait, the pistol and rifle charging dies, you can get extra turrets, IDK if the 3 hole turrets would fit the 4 hole frame, (I don't crimp rifle) but you can manual index quick and easy. Lee bench plate thingy would make a quick detach to keep it out of your way. All my Lee dies came with dipper and shell holder, graphite it you're neck sizing, and hornadys one shot lube for FL sizing and don't forget a $5 funnel. I would recommend this INSTEAD of the kit, as I like my frankford scale much better than the Lee scale. And honestly this way you can get what YOU want out of your setup

 

[D.B. Cooper]

Arkansas Paul and Horsey,

This was one of my thoughts, too. When I had the Lee Anniversary single stage kit, the little drug dealer's balance scale was utterly craptastic, and I felt the same way about the manual powder measure that came with it. The big problem with the powder measure was that the little dial that you used to set your charge wasn't in grains; it was in some sort of metric system or something. This meant I had to do a lot of math to try to convert to grains to match the Lyman reloading book. I also had difficulty getting it to throw consistently.

IraqVeteran8888 on youtube did a video on the LCT yeas ago, and he had trouble with both the powder measure and the primer feeding system. Neither seemed insurmountable. His auto disk measure through less charge than it was set for and he to do trail and error to get it right. His primer feeder mirrored complaints already mentioned here. Then again, he's just one guy and there other videos where guys have used it for years without issues.

At any rate, if I knew for sure which scale and powder measure to buy, I probably would go that route, as opposed to a kit, as I don't need a loading manual (I think those are going to go extinct anyway due to the internet.) and those three items seem to be the bulk of those starter kits.

 

[drband]

Again, @D.B. Cooper , the Lee Classic Turret (cast iron base) loads bottle neck cartridges just fine. The safety prime system works just fine for me, and the Lee AutoDrum powder measure is accurate and consistent with most powders.
There are issues with any manufacturer’s equipment, period.

So... pick what you’re comfortable with, red, blue, green, black, orange, whatever...

I defy anyone to tell the difference between ammo properly loaded on different presses by competent reloaders. Seriously.

If the LCT fits your budget, buy it, use it, enjoy it. If you really want a Dillon, go for it! They are certainly faster if that is a concern down the road.
RCBS is quality equipment. So is Hornady and Lyman. And don’t forget about the Coax press, pricey but a really fine single stage option.

You have several really great options. Good luck to you.

 

[Dudedog]

So if Lee stuff is that failure prone, I'd like to know now.

Note: No examples given of the LCT failing.
Some issues with the safety prime mentioned but nothing bad about the press other than to compare it to Harbor Freight stuff.

I like some Lee products and some I don't care for as much.
If you search threads you will find most everybody who has a LCT is happy with it.
You will also find threads with "Lee Bashers", (Just like Blue Kool Aide drinkers who insist their press is perfect and all other presses are junk)
but I don't recall seeing comment on the LCT where it was the press broke in half the first time I resized a case, or I went to bed and the next morning it had decayed to a pile of radioactive dust.....etc etc

it's just not that great of quality

Again concerning the LCT what is not "Quality" about it. Curious to know.
Is it the most heavy duty press in the world, no, is it perfect no, is it a well built press that works fine for most everybody who owns it yes.

Edit:

Lee AutoDrum powder measure is accurate and consistent with most powders

Lee Autodrum works well for me also.

 

[drband]

Note: the Lee AutoDisk measure is not the same as the newer AutoDrum. I sold my auto disk units when the AutoDrum came out. It’s a vast improvement.

 

[horsey300]

Arkansas Paul and Horsey,

This was one of my thoughts, too. When I had the Lee Anniversary single stage kit, the little drug dealer's balance scale was utterly craptastic, and I felt the same way about the manual powder measure that came with it. The big problem with the powder measure was that the little dial that you used to set your charge wasn't in grains; it was in some sort of metric system or something. This meant I had to do a lot of math to try to convert to grains to match the Lyman reloading book. I also had difficulty getting it to throw consistently.

IraqVeteran8888 on youtube did a video on the LCT yeas ago, and he had trouble with both the powder measure and the primer feeding system. Neither seemed insurmountable. His auto disk measure through less charge than it was set for and he to do trail and error to get it right. His primer feeder mirrored complaints already mentioned here. Then again, he's just one guy and there other videos where guys have used it for years without issues.

At any rate, if I knew for sure which scale and powder measure to buy, I probably would go that route, as opposed to a kit, as I don't need a loading manual (I think those are going to go extinct anyway due to the internet.) and those three items seem to be the bulk of those starter kits.

Auto drum works good, but unless you REALLY wanna spring for it right now, the frankford compact scale and a funnel with the charging die and/ reloading block works fine. You'll still need to trim cases somehow and a decent caliper, I also use a cheap hornady trickler. But all SHOULD stay under your budget minus extra turrets and dies. And the setup would be very functional for you, the lct advertises 200 rds/hr (I believe that's pistol) I also grabbed a turbo sonic cleaner on sale cheap about 1.5 yrs ago that has worked well, I was gifted a tumbler that I've yet to use and will probably regift to someone who needs it worse.
The attached photos are to help with some of the dimensions of the lct, trust me, it's all solid metal, not aluminum. The handle measurement is first up, the linkage measures .42" thick, the second picture shows THE thinnest part of the cast iron base, it's .983" deep, the ram (very heavy) measures 1.18" thick, the 3 pillars are .6827" thick and the bolts tap directly into the cast iron base. THE weakest link is the auto indexing rod but I haven't broken mine in the short time I've had it, and honestly manual indexing is easy enough anyway. The metal tubing of the handle itself is .156" thick. The last picture shows the press next to a .243 rd for scale (had to bring it inside cuz it's too cold in the garage for me to stay out there playing photographer lol). If there's anything else you'd like to know that I can help with on the specifics of the press, let me know.
ETA, my brother has the other red brand single stage lnl, paid a LOT more than this press cost and I promise you he's jealous. That press isn't bad, but this one's equally solid and more comfortable to use, I've loaded hundreds of rds on his, and I've always ground my teeth at it after the first 30 min or so lol.