Help Compare Colts please - Python

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I know that the Python is the cream of the crop having fired them, but how does a Trooper MK V, or even a MK III compare? I see that the MK V has a vent rib and was supposed to be a smoother version than the Mk III, but are they any comparison to the Python? The Python is pricey, and so is the MK V but the MK V is sitll several hundred dollars cheaper overall.


Thanks in advance.
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The "Trooper" series of 1969 and later are well-made, durable and accurate revolvers, but do not have the collector value of the Python (but not the high price tag, either). Its action is different from the Python, having a coil mainspring and transfer bar, and is not completely hand-fitted.
 
It's not a whole different world or anything. The fit and finish that goes (went?) into a Python is largely cosmetic, though the action is nice. They weren't $1300 or $1600 guns, or whatever they're going for on Gunbroker when they were made, although they are very nice. But they're not a radical departure from the Troopers in terms of what it's like to shoot them.
 
The Trooper Mark III is a totally different gun from the Python and pre-1969 Troopers. No parts interchange, the design is completely different, and there is no comparison as to quality. The Mark III was built as a mass produced service grade revolver.
 
The general history of both S&W and Colt is that they DO NOT get better as they get newer. Also, the Python was ALWAYS the top model. The Mark III or IV or V or XXXIII will not compare.
 
The Colt "Mark" series of guns are completely different mechanically from the Python and other earlier Colt revolvers. This doesn't make them "bad," just not as refined because they lack the hand fitting that went into the earlier guns. The market has a love affair with the Python, but there are some other early guns that still remain somewhat of a bargain. Most notably the early Troopers as well as the model .357's. Both of these guns share the lockwork and hand fitting that separates the Python and other Colts. My personal favorite revolver, if trigger quality is the deciding factor is my Colt Officer's Model Match (1961). Although not available in .357, the triggers, stocks and finish on these guns makes them very special indeed.
 
I have always heard that the Pythons are the best because they went through the custom shop and received a lot of hand fitting and finishing. Those same people claim that the Diamondback is nice but a notch down from the Pythons. They say the same thing about the Mk III and V Troopers. My question is: How do Mk series Troopers compare to Diamondbacks in relation to the quality of the Pythons since that seems to be the gold standard? Also, it seems like there are plenty of Trooper MkIIIs around but I almost never see a Mk V. Are the Mk Vs so collectable that nobody wants to let go of theirs or are they that scarce?
 
I compare my Trooper Mark III to a Python all the time. The Python is better. But my favoritie shooter is a Trooper Mark III in 357 mag. I prefer it over the Python, but it is not a better gun.

Trooper Mark III vs Diamondback... I prefer the Diamondback. I like the smaller D frame size for 22's. The triggers will be about the same, with maybe a slight edge to the Diamondback. The thing is I rarely shoot them double action and the single action triggers are excellent on both.

You just have to pick a few up, hanlle them, and hopefully know someone who will allow you to shoot it.
 
Well, I have a MkIII that is LNIB. It was unfired until the owner before me put only 6 rounds through it. I still haven't fired it myself. And I just picked up a truly unfired Mk V Trooper which hasn't come in the mail yet. So, not having actually fired either and not being able to afford a Diamondback or Python I was wondering about the relative differences. Or maybe someone can explain why Diamondbacks are selling for as much as Pythons when Troopers are selling for less than half the going price of Pythons/Diamondbacks.
 
The old style Colt's, like the Python, Diamondback, and even the inexpensive Official Police and Trooper lines had to be totally hand assembled.

At the factory, a Master fitter hand stoned the internal parts until they fit, then bent and adjusted the parts so they worked properly.
This ran the price up, which is why most of them were replaced in 1969 by the new Trooper Mark III, "J frame line.

This new line was the world's first "machine fitted" revolver. The parts were manufactured to very close tolerances using an early form of MIM (Metal Injection Molding). This early form of forcing a metallic slurry into a form then heating it until lit was fused into a solid mass, was known as "Sintered steel".

These new guns were assembled by standard skilled people by selecting a part from a bin and test fitting it. If the part didn't fit, another was tried until the part fit and functioned.
These new Colt's had actions totally different from the older Colt's and included a modern transfer-bar safety and ignition system.

The Trooper Mark III, "J" frame series was followed by the slightly improved Trooper Mark V series. In the mid-1980's, the Mark V was upgraded to stainless steel and fitted with a full lugged barrel and was the King Cobra "AA" frame.

The Python was different from even the older Colt's with the same "E&I" frame.
The Python was a totally hand fitted and polished model, and was intended from the start to be the finest DA revolver ever made.
The Python was a true semi-custom gun and a considerably longer amount of time was taken further adjusting and polishing the action to give it perfect operation and a smooth pull.
Among other features, the Python had a tapered bore to improve accuracy, for which the Python was famous.
Externally, the Python was polished to a far finer level than any other DA revolver.

The Colt Diamondback was simply a Python "look-alike" and was not finished or fitted to the same specs as the Super-Premium Python. The Diamondback received about the same level of finishing as the Detective Special, who's frame and action it shared.

So, the Trooper Mark III and Mark V were intended to be high quality mass produced revolvers and were a step above the competition in accuracy and external finish. The Mark III and Mark V blue job was possibly the best ever on a standard quality revolver.

The Diamondback is a well-finished look-alike, but doesn't have the smooth action, or the higher lever external finish, and did not have a tapered bore.

The Python was the finest finished DA revolver made, with an action tuned by experts to the highest level, and with the fantastic Python deep BLUE finish.
It was intended to be a Super-Premium revolver, and was built and priced accordingly.
 
I love shooting my 6" Trooper Mk III, so much so I am picking up another early next week. (8") I have and shoot, on occasion, a 6" Python, and it is great too. I prefer the Mk III to the Mk V, but they are both excellent guns. You might like the Mk V better, who knows.

Mk III & Mk V
 
Ive found that the cream of the Python crop were teh the late seventies models which had the extra fine double action trigger.

The newer ones were generally crap.
 
Walkalong - why do you like the MK III Better? More accurate, better trigger, feels better? What?
 
I bought a nickel Mk V Trooper in the early 80's. Excellent gun, smooth trigger, but not as smooth as a Python. Wish I still had it:(
 
Walkalong - why do you like the MK III Better? More accurate, better trigger, feels better? What?
My Mk III had a better trigger than my Mk V. I also like the grips a bit better. I also just like the look of the gun better. You might feel different if you held both of them. Both were more accurate than I can shoot open sights any more.

They say the double action was improved on the Mk V, but you could not prove it by me.
 
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