HELP - Defective Remington 700 - NEED ADVICE

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A few weeks ago I told ya all about a 700 my Son bought NIB. I think he got it from Cabela's. No matter, the chamber was screwed up and was cutting into the shoulder of the brass. He followed Remington's instructions and took it to an authorized Remington repair / dealer. They gave him the run around and said it would be a couple months. So he again contacted Remington, they told him that was unacceptable and would have someone call him back to expedite the process, acted completely understanding. That was probably 2 weeks ago and no one ever called him back. So he called them today, and they told him they have absolutely no information regarding this rifle.

They kept referring to it as a recall trigger safety problem, when in fact it's a brand new rifle and has nothing to do with the safety or trigger. He explained in detail, but the CS people just don't get it, and they clearly don't care, they just keep giving him the run around. The last call today, they told him probably October or November, and that's only if the authorized repair dealer can meet that dead line.

The parting words from the CS person was a bunch of BS about this is how our warantee process works. Are you kidding me, a customer makes a purchase of a defective rifle, and they have to wait months to get it replaced or fixed? It wasn't like he had the rifle for a month or two, the problem was immediately discovered, and promptly brought to Remington's attention after the first box of factory ammo / shooting session. I had my Ruger back in my hands 10 days after they received it, and it wasn't a defect, it was a repair. They also did upgrades, new stock, magazine, and the repair involved some welding and machine work, didn't charge me a dime.

In the mean time, PLEASE, does anyone here have a name and phone number of someone he can speak directly too, other than the "We don't care" CS number.

GS
 
Did he pay for it with a credit card?

If so call the credit card company and lodge a complaint, ask to be credited back!

Now when Remington calls wanting payment, give them the number to your lawyer. Say it's been turned over to him for handling. That's the way we handle companies that have lousy customer service and treat their customers like dirt after handing over their hard earned money without question! This on a product that was faulty right out of the factory.

GOODBYE!
 
If you bought the gun from a retailer & cancel the credit card charge, it won't be Remington who "calls" you.

Remington got their money out of that gun at least two steps back, when they sold it to a distributor who then sold it to whatever store you bought it from.
You can cancel the card all day long & Remington will neither know nor care.
You didn't buy it from them & your card has nothing to do with them.

Keep calling Remington & ask for a supervisor.
Denis
 
Ya, the card was used better than two months or so back. My memory isn't great, but I know my Son bought it for her birthday, so it sat hidden away for probably 2 or 3 weeks before it was given to her, maybe longer. Then she shot it a couple weeks after that, so it had probably been a good 2 months since the purchase was made at this point in time. So I can't see how stopping payment would accomplish a thing at this point in time, other than maybe getting Cabela's all ticked off, thus possibly taking legal action against my son.

He has tried going up the food chain, but he still keeps getting handed off to some other CS person who has no power to make decisions. Which is why I was hoping someone here might know a name of someone who has the authority to make things happen right now, rather than 2 or 3 months from now.

GS
 
The last time I heard anyone comment about the issue there was about a 6 month wait to get rifles with defective triggers replaced. It is likely that you're just going to have to get in line and let them fix all of the rifles already in the system before they can get to yours.
 
From your earlier posts on this topic, I was under the impression you knew, either personally or by reputation, the gunsmith who was supposed to do the repairs. Would probably work best to contact him or her directly to have the delay explained.
 
I just don't understand why there would be a wait involved, when it's a brand new defective rifle. Like why can't they just hand him another new rifle and call it good?

I checked Rem out last night on the BBB web site, all I can say is, wow, this company is totally screwed up. The complaints I read, which BTW involved nearly identical circumstances of a brand new firearm were outlandish, some of the worst possible CS one could imagine. I could see identical trends, in which Remington uses the same routine, first it's just a simple process, then they act like this never should have been handled like this, then they can't find the firearm, and have no record of it ever being addressed. By the time all the games are over 4-6 months have passed and the customer gets the firearm back, the worst part, in a lot of these BBB complaints, the firearm wasn't ever repaired. Remington just wanted to close the BBB complaint.

My son called me just now, while I was writing this. I got a name and e-mail from the BBB web site last night, my son sent an e-mail to this person, who is not a CS drone, he is upper management. Minutes after sending the e-mail he got a call from a VP of Consumer something or another and now has a new rifle in transit, done! I knew it was a matter of bothering the right person in the food chain.

GS
 
See if the retailer will give you a refund on it. Whoops you posted as I was typing.
 
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Good to hear that your son's problem is (hopefully) solved.

Since you have the contact info of someone who apparently has the authority to make things happen, you might consider typing up a respectful email addressing the problem just as you've done here. With stories like this floating around, Remington won't (shouldn't) be in business long unless they make changes. Maybe this particular individual cares enough about the company to make an effort to change things, rather than just solving one person's problem here and there after all this complete and total BS.

What a disgrace.

There are many firearm manufacturers consistently turning out quality rifles, and they have top-notch CS to boot. Remington's products are hit and miss, and they seem to have despicable CS. Are they really making a much higher profit than other companies by screwing people over and sullying the Remington name?

It can't be that hard to turn things around to where people can be proud to buy Remington again, without driving the company into bankruptcy. If upper management can't figure that out, maybe it's time to start looking for new careers.
 
Looking forward to a range report with new defect-free rifle providing a happy ending to a very frustrating story.
 
If they're really feeling bad about it, maybe they'll ship out a new Savage to your son.

Just kidding! Glad it was resolved, and take some pics of the replacement rifle for us.
 
My son called me a little while ago and said they are comping him, but we are getting hammered with thunder storms, so the call was breaking up really bad, so I didn't get all the details. Something about a better barrel and custom stock I think? Maybe they are sending him something from the custom shop? As soon as the weather clears up, I'll get the details on that.

GS
 
Gamestalker, having followed this from the beginning I am really happy for your son this looks to be coming to a good resolution. There was a time when Remington was a great company that made a great product but like so many companies, bought and sold, they seem to have gone to hell. Anyway, hopefully this is the end of this nightmare for you guys, I hope so anyway.

Ron
 
Ron I agree with you, remington used to be top notch equipment above most others... today, the best factory rifle hands down is a savage in the $500+ price range...I have one rifle that's a remington, but it's a custom and only uses a 1970's 700 action... but I too am glad this situation is working out, these things can be frustrating.
 
Glad that things are hopefully done for you and your son.

I have personally dealt with 6different firearm manufacturers for warranty repair/ replacement.

They are Taurus, S&W (TC Venture), Winchester, Armscor (RIA) Weatherby, and Mossberg.

The best experience was with Mossberg...hands down. But S&W, Winchester, and Armscor were satisfactory with Taurus and Weatherby being by far the worst CS experience I have ever had.

After my experiences and seeing what has been written about firearm manufacturers I know where my money is going.
 
So, my son was able to talk with me today, weather settled down, and apparently he had posed the question to the Rep about comping him for all the hassle and wait. The Rep told him no way, my supervisor won't go for that. So my son being the decent, yet very well spoken individual he is, said ok then, I just want my rifle back as is, right now. I know who has, not stating how he intends to deal with it, he just said I'm going to just go pick it up and deal with this thing a different way. At that point the Consumer manager told him, look, I'll contact my supervisor and call you right back. This was about an hour ago BTW. So the Consumer mgr. just called him back and ask him to pick a .270 he wants. So they are now shipping him a CDL SF, fluted SS barrel as a means of compensation.

End of story.

GS
 
Something else to consider and it appears to bear on why some of these CS experiences go so bad. If Remington has the firearm shipped to one of their authorized "fix it" dealers, some of those guys are actually responsible for part of the delay.

In this case with my sons rifle, it in fact all began with this authorized dealer. He was the first one to delay the process, stating that, as he explained, he had been seeing quite a few with bad chambers, and wanted to send them all in at the same time.

So I'm think if a guy were to insist on sending their rifle directly to Remington, they might have a better and faster experience, maybe? Part of why I say this, is because in this matter, Remington kept making reference to the authorized dealer, as in we have to wait to see what they have to say about the rifle / problem. And since the authorized dealer is dragging their feet, well you know what runs down hill....

GS
 
He wanted to send them all in at one time, and cost your son the use of his rifle in the meanwhile. I'd have a very short and blunt conversation with this dealer about why I would be shopping elsewhere in the future.

Sometimes the squeaky wheel gets the grease, y'all did the right thing by ramping it up with Remington.
 
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