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Help identifying 2 revolvers?

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by PILMAN, Aug 23, 2007.

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  1. PILMAN

    PILMAN Member

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    I'm doing a wiki page for the movie blood diamond which is a site dedicated to weapons in movies, can anyone identify these 2 revolvers?

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    Heres a closeup of the weapon

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    and this revolver.

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  2. MrBorland

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    It looks to me like 3 different revolvers. The revolver in the top 2 is a S&W, by the looks of the cylinder release. I can't decide if it's a 4" 686 .357magnum or a 5" 625 .45acp.

    Given the shape and position of the ejector rod, I'd say the revolver in the 3rd photo is some kind of single action revolver.

    The revolver in the last photo may be a Colt or a S&W. I always look at the cylinder release, but I can't tell from that photo. If it's a Smith, it could be Model 10 .38spl. Others could be more help.
     
  3. average_shooter

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    The third and fourth pics are of the same revolver. It's a single-action of some kind... Sorry I can't help more.

    ETA: Wait... in the fourth picture it looks like a single-action by the ejector rod and apparent lack of cylinder release on the left side, but it almost looks to me to have a double action trigger. I don't recall seeing any SA's with a trigger pull that long. Especially with the hammer down.
     
  4. hexidismal

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    I believe the one is the first two pics is either a 686 in .357 or a 629 in .44 mag. Mr. Borlands suggestion that it may be a 625 is also a possibility.. with a but. My best guess would be 629 from the frame size, and the ramped front sight. I believe the 625 only comes stock with the partridge front sight, unless changed out.

    As far as the second one.. I'm not quite sure, I'm doing some more checking on that one. The fourth pic makes it look almost .. refinished Nagant..y .. except for that large frame section in front of the cylinder, but the third pic does not. It certainly appears to be a single action from that ejector rod housing.
     
  5. MrBorland

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    yep - I just saw that. oops. I still think it's a SA revolver, but from the left side, it doesn't look like a SAA clone to me.
     
  6. 2RCO

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    The second one appears to be some kind of Belgian Job to me who knows?
     
  7. GunTech

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    RE the third revolver, there are many European revolvers taht are solid frame and double action, without swing out cylingers - the Nagant being only one example. Even the Colt Lightning was both double acvtion and used an ejector rod like the SAA

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    Although this does not apear to be a Colt. Most of these solid frame, ejector rod guns seem to be of Belgian manufacture, and there are many. However, based on the trigger, hammer shape and ejector, I'd say it is probably a J Gasser or possibly a Chamelot-Delvigne. I'd need a better picture to be sure.
     
  8. MrBorland

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    I'm gonna go with a 686 .357mag for the 1st one, since 686's have a full underlug and a red ramp front. The 629's I've seen seem to have a partial underlug. I don't think it's a 625 .45acp - cylinder looks too long and 625's as far as I know use a Patridge fron sight.
     
  9. hexidismal

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    Actually, now that I think about it, I'm fairly certain the first gun is a 629. The 686 doesn't come in a 5" model , and I'm sure it's not a 6". Beyond that, the bore and chambers look too big to be a .357. It's an older one than the current production. No lock, and stainless hammer/trigger.
    629 Classic 5"
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    http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/...angId=-1&parent_category_rn=15706&isFirearm=Y

    That's actually one of my dream guns right now that I can't afford.
     
  10. average_shooter

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    Huh... Learn something new every day. Thanks!
     
  11. Jim Watson

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    The revolver in pictures 1 - 2 is as said, probably a S&W Model 686 .357 Magnum, maybe a 629 .44 Magnum or 625 .45 Colt. Not a 625 .45 ACP, the cylinder is too long.

    The one in 3-4 is a European DA solid frame/siderod ejector. Leading suspect is an 1873 French 11mm, made famous in 'The Mummy'. But it will take better pictures to be sure - or pick something different.
     
  12. PILMAN

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    Thanks for identifying the 1st revolver. The 2nd one, that's the best pictures I can get, it's only displayed once in the movie.
     
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    So it's a 686 or a 629? Someone mentioned the chambers too big to be a .357
     
  14. 6_gunner

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    I also think the mystery revolver might be a St. Etienne m1873, or possibly the similar-looking 8mm m1892.
     
  15. hexidismal

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    Well not just that, like I said, it's the 5" barrel that gives it away as the 629.

    I think Ive got it ! Jim WAtson got me to thinking about french pistols. This sure looks like it doesn't it ?

    Modele d’Ordonnance Improved M1872 often called "Saint-Etienne" after the factory in which they were made. M1874 is the same gun with a fluted cylinder

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  16. PILMAN

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    hmm it does look similar, the movie takes place in Sierra Leone, would this type of revolver be common there?
     
  17. PILMAN

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    Hexi, I looked through the movie and the revolver looks exactly the same cosmetically, the only difference is the cylinder, it looks like there are some grooves there but other than that, it looks exactly the same.
     
  18. hexidismal

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    By 'grooves', do you mean that the cylinder is fluted ? The quote above in my post with the pics (I took the quote off the webiste I found the pics on) does mention the exact same gun having a fluted cylinder in the M1874 model.

    heres the site I found them on
    http://www.oldrifles.com/french-pistols.htm
     
  19. PILMAN

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    Not sure what fluted means but it definitely has the exact cosmetic appearance to what you listed by close comparison. Shame it's difficult to get better pictures as the camera isn't really on focus with the gun.
     
  20. hexidismal

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    Oh. Cylinder flutes are the external cutouts for reducing weight without losing much strength in between the chambers. Fluted cylinders are most common on modern revolvers. Pictures are worth a thousand words though

    Unfluted cylinder
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    Fluted Cylinders
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  21. PILMAN

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    ah ok, thanks for that information. Yes the picture of that 2nd revolver is confusing, on one side it appears to be unfluted, the other side it looks like it is fluted. You can see this on the 4th picture where it looks like there are grooves. It could be the angle of the picture though.
     
  22. hexidismal

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    I did notice that. I wondered about that myself. I suppose its possible that they could have switched similar guns by mistake in between takes. I notice that happening fairly often in movies...hehe
     
  23. GunTech

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    I'd say hexidismal nailed it. I'm not sure the picture shows flutes on the cylinder. The hump in front of the trigger guard is pretty unique, and not featured on most later French ordnane revolvers.

    The Chamelot-Delvigne that I mentioned, the Army Officer's Model M1874, also known as the 'Saint-Etienne' is identical to the M1873 except it has a fluted cylinder

    here is a very poor example

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    It is definitely not an M1892 (erroriously called the 'Lebel'), which has a blunt frame in front of the trigger guard.

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  24. SDC

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    As an ex-French possession, I think you could expect to find an ex-French revolver like a St. Etienne there, but that may be giving the film a little too much credit (have they ever really given too much attention to getting anything firearms-related "right"?)
     
  25. PILMAN

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    SDC, that is true however some movies have made a effort to try and make things as realistic as possible. Heat is a perfect example where they kept all the original sounds in place, in Blood Diamond, Danny constantly checks his chamber and fires an AK47 in a single burst or semi auto most of the time, not straight out full auto. They actually did a pretty good job with firearm realism in the movie.
     
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