Help!!! Is this normal? Please give me your thoughts
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rcmodel
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Lets start a new internet rumor.
Glock barrels are being outsourced to China now.
rc
Glock barrels are being outsourced to China now.
rc
I emailed Glock with pictures and a detail description of my concern two days ago and guess what? No reply, quality customer service I tell ya! You buy their products that they advertise so proudly of and they can careless if this gun blows up in your face or worst case scenario not fire properly in a self defense situation.
Al,
I will fire a few more rounds from this quality TUPPERWARE and see how it performs. Worsts comes to worst I will try your technique and see what the outcome is.
RC (Chinese metal are probably better quality, lets go with Afghanistan) lol!
Al,
I will fire a few more rounds from this quality TUPPERWARE and see how it performs. Worsts comes to worst I will try your technique and see what the outcome is.
RC (Chinese metal are probably better quality, lets go with Afghanistan) lol!
nofishbob
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Any news?
I am really interested in Glock's response!
Thanks!
Bob
I am really interested in Glock's response!
Thanks!
Bob
crossrhodes
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Yep. I would go with what RC said. I've had a few glocks and never saw a barrel like that. I would call it a "made on a Monday or Friday" event and send it back. Also I wouldn't ask the gun guy at Cabelas for his advice because that's like asking the May Tag repair man to tune up your corvette.
Yep. I would go with what RC said. I've had a few glocks and never saw a barrel like that. I would call it a "made on a Monday or Friday" event and send it back. Also I wouldn't ask the gun guy at Cabelas for his advice because that's like asking the May Tag repair man to tune up your corvette.
I don't understand what any of you are talking about. That looks EXACTLY like a normal Glock barrel, but with some fouling. You can see and count the "polygonal rifles" at the crown. Can we see the AFTER pictures where you've cleaned it (with something more than just the Glock nylon brush and lubricating oil?)
rcmodel
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I am talking about the 90 degree chatter marks in the bottoms of the grooves.
Hammer forged Glock barrels don't have 90 degree chatter marks from a rifling cutter.
rc
Hammer forged Glock barrels don't have 90 degree chatter marks from a rifling cutter.
rc
The entirety of the bottoms and the tip of the "lands" seems to be covered in fouling, to my eye. I'm not sure how you can see chatter marks through all that, and I still fail to see what a rifling cutter would be doing anywhere near the inside of a Glock barrel. The lands look like they get bigger towards the muzzle and are crooked in the first two pics. But that appears to be camera distortion, because not all the pics look like that.
If that's what the barrel looks like after a proper cleaning, then I completely agree something is terribly wrong with it, and it should be sent in. But it sounds like the OP hasn't even bothered trying. So OP, can we get some confirmation, here? I want my donuts.
If that's what the barrel looks like after a proper cleaning, then I completely agree something is terribly wrong with it, and it should be sent in. But it sounds like the OP hasn't even bothered trying. So OP, can we get some confirmation, here? I want my donuts.
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GLOOB, The bore has been cleaned like I clean all my pistols. Just your average mop, scrub, and mop again. I wanted to try gun scrubber once to see if there is any difference. I'm using a Winchester 40-45 bronze bore brush and it doesn't seem like a nice tight fit so after the pictures I gave it a nice scrub with the factory nylon brush but ended up with same results.
My G21 was my first gun, and I wasn't much of a gun guy back then. I probably shot 4-500 rounds before the first cleaning. When I saw the fouling left after that cleaning, I thought I had a marred barrel. But the gun shot, so I didn't fuss. The fouling remained stable through many thorough cleanings, for almost a year. In the meantime, I started acquiring more guns. I handled and inspected the (immaculate) bores of several other Glocks, and I finally decided that it wasn't tooling marks in my barrel. That's when I went to town on it with an oversize bore brush, and it finally came clean. And it's stayed that way ever since. That was before I had Hoppe's or any other solvents. I was just using Mobil One for everything, back then. And I had only shot factory ammo through it, BTW.
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This is a brand new gun. I owned a Glock 45 GAP (used), 2 Springfield XD's 9mmand 40, Hk USP 40, DPMS LR308, Berreta 92f 9mm, and this piece of quality work. I only shoot what the handbook recommends and follow the instructions of what they say to clean with. Because again, this is a brand new gun and its not worth trying to do all this voodoo, military, NASA approve cleaning on this bore to damage it or void the warranty. All I want is a answer and opinions. I especially like an answer from Glock to see what there thoughts are. I consider myself a newbie to guns but with enough knowledge to make wise decisions. I have all the original Winchester FMJ 230grain whitebox brass that i shot through this gun. If the range was to let me find the bullets in the dirt mound I would dig them up.
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and for those who are wondering about Glocks thoughts. Tuff luck for me! I called and left a message yesterday at noon to Doug Robinson (Technical Support Manager) and still no reply. I called again today and left a message for Doug and now its a waiting game. Horrible service! This will be the last Glock I will ever buy. At least Heckler and Koch's willing to give me straight detail answer or a lie every time I have a question. lol! So for anyone with concerns about Glock's quality work please call directly to Doug Robison ext 6215 because the jack ass's over the phone sitting behind a computer have no clue what they are talking about.
Fouling doesn't care how new your gun is. A few shots with the right bullets is all it takes, let alone 100 rounds.
I'm curious about this ammo. I've never shot WWB in .45. If you still have the box, read all the info, carefully. Next time you buy some, cut the tip off a bullet and you'll see if it's really jacketed.
You said you bought this gun so you could drop it in the mud and not worry. And now... well, I hope you get some gunscrubber and a proper bore brush before you finally speak with whomever at Glock. They have polygonal barrels, and you have to deal with it. They can't control what Winchester passes off as FMJ. And their customer service is probably busy handling Gen 4 issues.
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nofishbob
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I have shot a lot of WWB through my G21. Never had anything even start to look like the OP's pictures.
To have what looks like lead fouling (perhaps the color did not reproduce correctly in the pics...) all the way out to the muzzle beggars the imagination. When I was learning to reload lead bullets and had everything wrong my bore still did not look like that.
What really has me intrigued is the actual design of the rifling. Besides the non-typical tooling marks that RC and others pointed out, has anyone else seen a Glock barrel that has alternating deep grooves and smaller grooves?
My Glock barrels only have one width and depth of grooves-all the grooves and their spacing is the same.
Am I looking at the OP's picture wrong or is my small sample of Glock barrel study too small?
Bob
To have what looks like lead fouling (perhaps the color did not reproduce correctly in the pics...) all the way out to the muzzle beggars the imagination. When I was learning to reload lead bullets and had everything wrong my bore still did not look like that.
What really has me intrigued is the actual design of the rifling. Besides the non-typical tooling marks that RC and others pointed out, has anyone else seen a Glock barrel that has alternating deep grooves and smaller grooves?
My Glock barrels only have one width and depth of grooves-all the grooves and their spacing is the same.
Am I looking at the OP's picture wrong or is my small sample of Glock barrel study too small?
Bob
My G21 fouled primarily in the last inch or so of the muzzle end, shooting factory Blazer Brass and UMC. As for the rifling, I'm thinking it's really hard to see it clearly until it has been cleaned. If you count the indentations at the crown, you can see there would be 8, evenly spaced, identical grooves, as per usual.
Edit: in fact, now that I'm looking carefully, what I see is the fouling is building up in the corners, where the lands meet the bottoms. It is building up heavier on one side, and thinner on the other. There would be 16 strips of fouling, total. 8 thick, and 8 thin. There will also be 16 dark/clean strips which look roughly the same size, and come in pairs. The similarity in width is deceiving. One is actually the top/side of the land. The dark strip immediately CCW to it (if you are looking down the muzzle) is the clean portion of the bottom. Match things up with the indents in the crown, and you'll see what I'm seeing.
Edit: in fact, now that I'm looking carefully, what I see is the fouling is building up in the corners, where the lands meet the bottoms. It is building up heavier on one side, and thinner on the other. There would be 16 strips of fouling, total. 8 thick, and 8 thin. There will also be 16 dark/clean strips which look roughly the same size, and come in pairs. The similarity in width is deceiving. One is actually the top/side of the land. The dark strip immediately CCW to it (if you are looking down the muzzle) is the clean portion of the bottom. Match things up with the indents in the crown, and you'll see what I'm seeing.
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Gloob, where do you live? jk The WWB ammo is the ammo that Walmart sells. Its a pretty common ammo that every average joe blow like me uses. I bullet is FMJ but I believe the inside is lead.
Anyone ever had experience with sharp shooters wipe out? I wanna try that once and see what results I get.
Anyone ever had experience with sharp shooters wipe out? I wanna try that once and see what results I get.
When I first got my G21, I lived in NC. The Blazer Brass and Remington UMC were what was sold at Walmart, at that time. I understood them to be 230 grain FMJ. If I had to guess, I think the fouling came from the Blazer Brass, just because I've never found it on the shelves since then, and the fouling hasn't returned. But the other thing might be the bore is now lightly oiled (with CLP) and broken in, and I clean it more often.
I've even started shooting full power plated reloads, and so far no fouling.
I've even started shooting full power plated reloads, and so far no fouling.
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Found this thread while researching defects in Glock factory barrels. I would be very interested in seeing your pictures but they seem to have been removed. I've posted mine below. I took the advice above and gave my G30 a thorough cleaning but it still looks like there are pits and rough spots in the grooves. Does this look normal? Only about 1500 rounds of factory loaded 230gr. FMJ or 185gr. JHP so far. Opinions welcome. Thank you.
nofishbob
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Those are some of the clearest barrel pictures I have ever seen!
I am really interested in the response you get from Glock.
Bob
I am really interested in the response you get from Glock.
Bob
Called Glock again today and got Doug Robinson on the phone. He looked at the pictures and said that "it should smooth out over time". He did not offer to do anything about it at all. I told him I was concerned that this was getting worse, not better. He just said to "keep an eye on it".
So what do you think? Are there any Glock armorers here that can give an educated opinion on this?
So what do you think? Are there any Glock armorers here that can give an educated opinion on this?
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