In any case it isnt how spectacular the gun is that makes it an heirloom. It can be a total piece of crap but as long as it was dads or grandpas gun that's what makes it an heirloom. My dad is "holding onto" a broken 1848 Colt baby dragoon revolver and a broken remington derringer for me until he goes somewhere else that belonged to his grandfathers grandfather . The Colt I'll repair and shoot. The Remington not so much. Those guns mean more to me than any fanciest gun of the 1930's that I could have been handed down.
Help me choose my heirloom 1911
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Thank you, good clarification.bc1023 said:
While I feel that the Valor is a good value for what you are paying, I don't think there is a valid argument that its price point isn't in the lower mid-range of 1911s. I consider the Springfield Professional an appropriately priced 1911
I think the Valor is a good basic 1911 with most things done correctly at a price that will allow you to spend the extra money to make it "right"...but then I have access to one of the old 1911 masters.
Nice response which I'll second.
Calling another member that when you don't know enough about them only hurts your own creditably.
Name calling in general is considered rude, besides being against the forum rules, and should be avoided
200Apples
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Yeah. And why not start that custom using an Ed Brown Kobra Carry as the raw material (or is this sacrilege?) Hahaha...
Who am I to know. I shoot a Springfield Loaded and a Kimber Ultra CDP II. I want a second, additional Springfield Loaded. THEN I'd like an Ed Brown Kobra Carry.
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THEN I'd like to track down the Gold Cup National Match my dad sold to one of his best friends years ago, before he knew that the 1911-pattern pistol is the only pistol I will ever care to invest in.
After I find that one, then I might fool around with other manufacturers' 1911s. I see that Jesse James of custom motorcycle fame is now whipping up a few tasty 1911s. One I've seen photos of is machined first from his own blend of a Damascus alloy using pieces from the Statue Of Liberty. No kidding.
Yeah. And why not start that custom using an Ed Brown Kobra Carry as the raw material (or is this sacrilege?) Hahaha...
Who am I to know. I shoot a Springfield Loaded and a Kimber Ultra CDP II. I want a second, additional Springfield Loaded. THEN I'd like an Ed Brown Kobra Carry.
Image courtesy GES1989
THEN I'd like to track down the Gold Cup National Match my dad sold to one of his best friends years ago, before he knew that the 1911-pattern pistol is the only pistol I will ever care to invest in.
After I find that one, then I might fool around with other manufacturers' 1911s. I see that Jesse James of custom motorcycle fame is now whipping up a few tasty 1911s. One I've seen photos of is machined first from his own blend of a Damascus alloy using pieces from the Statue Of Liberty. No kidding.
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I wasn't calling anyone names. I said the comment was ignorant. Especially considering telling someone a DW can't be considered an "heirloom". You can be a good guy and still make ignorant comments. I own guns that have little monetary value in terms of market price, but they are still heirlooms. They represent value in terms of memories and family history. Any person that says a certain brand can't be considered an heirloom is making an ignorant statement and I'll stand by that opinion all day long. And telling someone they are making an ignorant statement isn't name-calling and I'll stand by that opinion all day long too.
Posting this:
The verb..."to say"... refers to that person's action in making the statement, not the statement. While it may have been your intention to reference your perceived ignorance of the statement, it certainly wasn't clearly stated.
...isn't the same as this:
The verb..."to say"... refers to that person's action in making the statement, not the statement. While it may have been your intention to reference your perceived ignorance of the statement, it certainly wasn't clearly stated.
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Since you seem eager to split hairs, there's actually no difference in the two statements you quoted. You correctly picked up the verb "to say" in the first quote, but you completely missed the verb "making" in the second quote. "Making" also refers to the act or verb and the statement. So the two statements you quoted are grammatically similar.
In either case, my bottom line is still the same. A person can make an ignorant statement or they can also do ignorant action, neither of which are name-calling which is what I was trying to point out to begin with.
In either case, my bottom line is still the same. A person can make an ignorant statement or they can also do ignorant action, neither of which are name-calling which is what I was trying to point out to begin with.
since you mentioned DW had mine(Heritage) more than a year now...great quality pistols and nothing wrong with it being a heirloom to pass down, actually any firearm in general. Mine is the lower end of the DW line and will pass this one down, to my surprise they are very well built and accurate
LazyGunner
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Hi point!!! ROFL!
Ed brown for sure if you have the cash and patience.
Ed brown for sure if you have the cash and patience.
tommy.duncan
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You should look into the Turnbull 1911 line. I have looked at the Wilson, Brown, and Baer offerings. I love the case hardened frame they are very nice. Check them out.
I have to agree. The LB is a great shooter and a good value in it's mid-price range, but it doesn't have the finish work that a Brown does.
LB is known for showing wear through their bluing
LB is known for showing wear through their bluing
If you can afford it, an EB is a great foundation for a build. My point was that for the money he'd put into buying the Brown, he could have that Colt GC he already owns built into a dream gun.
Zerodefect
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All of my pistols will be heirlooms passed down, even the Glocks. Might not be so easy to procure pistols in the future.
The Valor is IME, the best 1911 in it's price range by quite a margin. Especially the Duty Treat Black versions. It's a production gun, but if a Colt can be a heirloom, there's no reason why a Valor can not.
That being said, I'd look towards the Guncrafter 1911's instead of EB if you're in that price range.
The Valor is IME, the best 1911 in it's price range by quite a margin. Especially the Duty Treat Black versions. It's a production gun, but if a Colt can be a heirloom, there's no reason why a Valor can not.
That being said, I'd look towards the Guncrafter 1911's instead of EB if you're in that price range.
Welding Rod
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What makes it valuable is the WEAR that YOU put on it.
So I would get the gun you will like and will shoot the most, particularly WITH your son.
So I would get the gun you will like and will shoot the most, particularly WITH your son.
I agree about Baer, but would choose the EB over the DW. JMHO.
The value of an heirloom comes from how the original owner valued it. The Shield that was my EDC, the G34 I competed with, and the 10/22 I built up into a squirrel-killing machine will all probably be very desirable to my kids, as will the two rifles that my father-in-law passed down to me.
Bobson
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Agreed.
When my dad goes, I'll prefer to have something to remind me of times we spent together, whether that's an expensive, untouched safe queen, or his favorite framing hammer (it's the hammer, btw). If all you're passing on is an item of monetary value, you may as well write him a check. Nothing heirloom about that.
Old Dog
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I'll take an Ed Brown any day of the week over a Wilson, Nighthawk, Les Baer and especially a Dan Wesson. But that's just my personal bias (and I've not owned a Nighthawk or DW, but have shot several models of each extensively).
Ed Brown makes some spectacular pistols (and the fact that he doesn't subscribe to the whole front-cocking serration thing is a huge plus for me).
Ed Brown makes some spectacular pistols (and the fact that he doesn't subscribe to the whole front-cocking serration thing is a huge plus for me).
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A couple have beat me to it but I'll reiterate, the things you use everyday or the gun you carry every day and would stake your life on is what will be of value to your heirs.
Every honest rubbed out section of finish on gun and holster will speak generations past a shiny boutique pistol that sets in some presentation case.
Every honest rubbed out section of finish on gun and holster will speak generations past a shiny boutique pistol that sets in some presentation case.
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Then that's another + for the DW Valor. There's no shame in CCW'ing it and beating on it at the range, especially the hard duty treat.
I wouldn't want to bang up an EB or Turnbull.
I wouldn't want to bang up an EB or Turnbull.
I have owned twelve 1911s over the years - including a $3k Custom Shop Springer and two Ed Browns. I prev sold an Ed Brown, missed it, and then bought another later.
I went into a gun shop and picked up a Dan Wesson Valor a few hours after I placed the order for that second Ed Brown. I didn't even know I wanted a Valor - but man.. When I picked it up, I knew I had to have it.
I went home to figure out what I could sell to pay for it, then I went back to that shop 20 minutes later and bought that Valor.
Since then, I later sold the Brown because I love the stainless Valor I have. It's hands down my favorite 1911 I have ever owned. And, the first 1911 I liked with thin grips. The factory VZ double diamond grips are awesome!
Honestly, if I had found that Valor before ordering the Brown, I would not have even placed the order.
I went into a gun shop and picked up a Dan Wesson Valor a few hours after I placed the order for that second Ed Brown. I didn't even know I wanted a Valor - but man.. When I picked it up, I knew I had to have it.
I went home to figure out what I could sell to pay for it, then I went back to that shop 20 minutes later and bought that Valor.
Since then, I later sold the Brown because I love the stainless Valor I have. It's hands down my favorite 1911 I have ever owned. And, the first 1911 I liked with thin grips. The factory VZ double diamond grips are awesome!
Honestly, if I had found that Valor before ordering the Brown, I would not have even placed the order.
entropy
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Turnbull. I want a Cylinder & Slide .45 ACP M1903 for an heirloom gun. I just know from experience not to give it to my older son-he trades .45's away. He's done it twice.
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