Help me Identify these old beauties!

[TeamBigShot]

so I just inherited these pistols, and the only one I know of is the Derringer, could anyone help identify these pistols??? although I wouldn't sell them im just curious of there worth, my children will one day have these Any insight would be greatly appreciated!

 

[mac66]

Top break revolvers were made by dozens of companies so it is hard to ID it without markings? Look on top of the barrel or along the back strap for names, markings etc.

The engraved one looks like a Webley or French Fancotti (sp?) Again, hard to ID without markings. Look on the top or back strap.

Those Derringer types were also made by dozens of companies. Some were good, some junk. Hard to tell without some type of markings. There may be some feint markings on the right side of the top barrel but I can't tell for sure from the photos. Most were also marked on the top of the barrel.

Who makes them will determine how rare and/or valuable they are.

 

[MikeJackmin]

This will get you into the ballpark on the big one:

http://www.guns.com/2013/01/10/giant-gassers-the-bfr-of-1870/

I think these are generically referred to as 'Montenegro' revolvers.

Look closely at your derringer - the weak spot on these guns is the hinge, that little ring of metal. They are often cracked, rendering the gun unusable. I understand that many of the cracks come from roughly closing and opening the action. An uncracked gun is always better, but it's unlikely that you'll want to shoot it in any event.

The remaining revolver looks like a type commonly made from the late 1800s to the depression era; they continured to be made in smaller numbers up until the 50s, I think. There are many manufacturers of these guns, the specific marking will hopefully tell the experts here what they need to know.

My first guess is that all of these guns are black-powder era pieces, which cannot be safety fired with modern smokeless ammo.

 

[PRD1]

The large, engraved revolver...

is a French or Belgian pinfire, probably 12mm. The Montengrin Gasser revolvers are of a different design and centerfire.
The Remington derringer actually looks pretty good, and I can't see any evidence of cracks at the hinge, though a better closeup of the left side would be helpful.
The break-open revolver should have some indication of who made it, usually on the top of the barrel rib.

PRD1 - mhb - Mike

 

[SDC]

You'll need to post pictures of the markings to get any definite answers, but the top-break is probably Spanish, and the large engraved revolver is a Lefaucheux-style pinfire, probably made in Belgium. The derringer and copies thereof have been made for ages, and there's no way of telling who made it or when without seeing any of the markings, and seeing the breechface.

 

[Jim Watson]

Agree with SDC throughout.
A generic European pinfire, Belgian or French, anywhere 1860 - WW I.
A generic double action top break, very likely a Spanish copy of an American knockoff of a Smith & Wessonn, 1880 - WW II.
A Remington double derringer, 1865 - 1935, or copy.

 

[Cosmoline]

That pinfire is unusually nice. I've seen many of them around, almost always as curios for the wall or cabinet. That one appears to be a cut above most. Look at the proof marks for further info. My guess is it's a "deluxe" model of some kind. Still probably wouldn't be worth much, but it looks nice.

The others look like pretty typical fare.

 

[Jim K]

A close look at the cylinder of the pinfire will probably reveal an oval with the letters ELG, the Belgian proof mark. The derringer appears to be a Remington, but if so the barrels should be marked with the company name. If so, the grips are NOT original.

I feel I should know the maker who used that six pointed star grip trademark, but it escapes me. Again, are there any markings on the top of the barrel?

Jim

 

[Jim Watson]

I see a top break in Alfa with that star but no brand name, just "system Smith & Wesson" which we knew.

There are a couple of the sort in Zhuk although without the star, one from Orbea Hermanos of Spain, one nameless from Belgium

 

[backbencher]

And we thought 9x19mm was hard to get:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Vintage-Ammo/BI.aspx?Keywords=pinfire

 

[TeamBigShot]

Wow thank you all for you insight you have taken the time to tell me! I really appreciate you guys taking the time and being thorough answeres and questions! I will post pics you requested asap! God bless.

 

[Jim K]

Hard to tell without actually seeing the gun, but I think that derringer has a cracked hinge. Those guns were made of cast iron and Remington never changed the material even as late as 1935. The hinges didn't crack from firing, though, but from "flipping" the gun open, when the momentum of the heavy barrel block stressed the hinge.

Sadly, none of those guns has much monetary value, though I am sure your children will treasure them as you do, for the family association.

Jim