Help Me Understand .223 Weight Selection

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Swifty Morgan

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Since picking up my AR-15, I've bought a lot of ammo. I started out with highly dubious 55-grain Norma FMJ tactical just because I wanted something to shoot. Then I got ballistic-tipped rounds in 40-, 50-, and 55-grain weights.

Here is my question: what am I buying this stuff for? What I mean is, what motivates someone to buy 50 grains instead of 55 and so on? I got samples of several weights because I want to see what's most accurate for target shooting, and I know any of the things I got will work on varmints, except maybe for Norma, which would probably miss. What guides experienced .223 shooters to choose different weights which are so similar?
 
Well, to start, barrel twist. Some twists shoot different weight bullets better than others.

I’ve heard some people want heavier bullets for a lack of travel beyond target (if they miss) though I’m skeptical about how much a change 20grains or so will make.

Generally:

Force = Mass x Acceleration

you want to find the sweet spot based on your needs because mass and acceleration are inversely proportional (as one increases the the other must decrease if no other changes are made to the system). So if you want distannce you’d want a lighter bullet going faster and vice verse for if you’re trying to limit distance.

If you want penetration but not much else you increase acceleration and decrease mass (generally)

If you want to limit penetration you decrease acceleration and increasing mass is one way to do that.


The above is a VERY basic explanation and mostly works. It’s the reason you have different hunting bullets for different game. Now, if you want to change the way your bullet acts beyond the limits of the F=ma equation you do things like change bullet composition (I.e. ballistic tips vs FMJ).
 
Barrel twist. Original M16's had a slow 1:12 twist and shot best with 55 gr and lighter bullets. Those twist rates won't stabilize heavier bullets. (it is actually bullet length that matters, but generally speaking heavier is longer). When the military started going to heavier bullets they needed faster twist rates with 1:7 being used in the military.

Most civilian AR's have either 1:7, 1:8, or 1:9 twists. I think 1:8 is the most versatile. It will generally shoot bullets from 50-75 gr pretty well. If you have a 7 twist it may, or may not work well with 55 gr and lighter bullets. The 9 twist barrels are probably good with 60-70 gr bullets, but may not handle the heavier bullets.

You can get bullets as heavy as 90 gr, even 7 twist barrels may not shoot them well.

As to which you choose, lighter bullets shoot flatter, at least up to a point, they are good for varmints and personal protection. The heavier 70-75 gr bullets start out slower, and have a little more drop, but remain stable at much longer ranges or for deer hunting etc. If you're using the rifle as a long range target gun you want 70 gr + bullets. The middle weights in the 60-69 gr range are good all around bullets.

You just have to see what works best for you. I have some 50 gr loads that are extremely accurate in most of my rifles, but won't shoot at all from the 7 twist barrel.
 
As people have said, twist rate is one of the biggests. Then there is throat size or Free Bore in your chamber and whether your barrel tends to like, Jump, Touch or Jam Bullet seating. On an AR Platform, do you really care?

Bob
 
A man marries a wife. He does not marry her sister, nor her other sister, nor her brother. He does not marry her high school friend who was “nearly identical,” and he does not marry any of a half dozen high school or college girlfriends which were all of the same “type,” but obviously individually different.

Explain why this man married this one person out of the 10 others also mentioned which are quite similar —> therein, you will have your answer.

For the context of our conversation here discussing 50-55grn bullets, twist rate is dramatically overhyped, including so in this thread. Between 50-55grn bullets, there’s no choice in barrel twist which is correct for one end of this narrow spectrum but wrong for the other.

So what you’ll find are wholly subjective preferences of nearly intangible differences in bullet performance. As an example, there are 3 common Hornady V-Max’s, 50, 53, and 55. Many predator hunters favor the 55 because of the extra tail mass, claiming the heavy flat base penetrates better than the other two. Some longer range Varminters favor the 53 because of the increased ballistic coefficient largely drawn by the boattail. Still others, like myself, forego these nearly-tangible objective advantages for the other two and shoot the 50 v-max solely because it is so widely available and at such low prices - and still effectively does the same thing as the other two in the field. Why do I shoot the 50 vmax over the 50 or 55 BST or NBT? Eh, why did the man marry the one woman?

Also for reference: @Daniel craig’s description above regarding Force = mass * acceleration is largely misapplied here. First, cartridges do not produce a fixed net force, they only live under a relatively fixed maximal force. The same cartridge can be loaded to the same maximal force - same pressure - with two different loads, but yield exceptionally different net forces, net accelerations. What he should have been describing is a relationship between potential energy (powder charge) and kinetic energy, and the resulting Work done (kinetic energy before impact minus kinetic energy after, minus losses), which are largely quite difficult to quantify, but easily described qualitatively.

In real-world, inelastic collisions - such as a bullet hitting a target, especially game animals - MOMENTUM is conserved. P = mass * velocity. This largely describes why light, fast bullets kill so well at close range, but then lose ground to heavier, slower billets at long distance - the light, fast bullet loses speed and resultingly momentum at range, whereas higher BC, heavier bullets hold momentum at range better.

So in a relative case where approximately the same powder charge is able to be used (simplifying here) under two different bullets: PE1 = PE2, so and assuming the same combustion efficiency KE1 = KE2, but using a 50grn bullet in one load and a 70grn in another (the proposed 20grn difference). Not wasting breath with conversions, just getting to palatable scale numbers:

A 50grn bullet at 3200fps yields 1136ft.lbs. kinetic energy (KE1), which we’ll also apply to the 70grn bullet (KE2). Back-calculating out, a 70grn bullet with 1136ft.lbs. is traveling at 2704fps.

So the momentum - the conserved aspect of the impact - for these two:

50grn at 3200fps (divided by 7000grn/lb) = 22.9 lbm ft/sec

70grn at 2704fps (also divided by 7000) = 27.0 lbm ft/sec

So the 20 grn heavier bullet is hitting the target with 18% more momentum. This is why 70 grain loads hit harder than 50grn loads.

(Recognizing actual charge weights for heavier bullets, the potential energy, is typically lower due to the increased inertial moment - “back pressure” - in the early ignition, but simplifying the case for the explanation).
 
So the 20 grn heavier bullet is hitting the target with 18% more momentum. This is why 70 grain loads hit harder than 50grn loads.

And that is why I shoot 68-70gr at steel silhouette targets. I've seen 55gr hit and turn a steel ram at 230yds. The extra 'smack factor" knocks them down.
 
If you are punching paper, energy is less important, but if it is silhouette targets, that is another story in both the need for energy, but also less concern for group size as all you want to make sure is that you hit the thing reasonably center.
 
some of the answers in this thread miss the mark a little.

the weight of a bullet, typically depends on the features of the bullet chosen based on intended use. for example, depending on what you're doing, you might want a flat base, or FMJ, or OTM, or some flavor of boat tail, or a tip made from plastic or aluminum.

sometimes companies push the design to some limits, trying to get the most or least weight, but rarely do they target a specific weight. one example of this, however, is lapua's 155g 30 cal match bullets. they're roughly the size of a 168g bullet, but they hollowed out a big hunk of the nose to meet the Palma requirement of specifically 155g.

to the OP, it's very rare that you really need a particular weight bullet. usually, you would say you want one of those other features, such as a flat base bullet for shooting short range benchrest, or a soft point for varmints or an aluminum tip for long range high BC precision shooting. and then, that narrows your selection down considerably, as a manufacturer may only offer that bullet in 1 or 2 different weights. you'd then compare those weights to your barrel twist and usually buy a box of each and see which one shoots best.

if you were to ask how bullet features match different uses, you'd probably get the answers you're looking for


i will say this though, given a particular style of bullet in a caliber with multiple choices, like say 6mm match bullets that range from 105g, 107g, 108g, 110g, 115g, the cartridge can make a difference. most people would agree that 115g don't shoot that well in 6BR or dashers because they don't have enough umph to get the bullet going fast enough to take advantage of it. otoh i'll bet the guys shooting 6 crusader and even 6 creedmoor are using the heaviest bullet they can.
 
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